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Bill: Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786
Details
Submitted by[?]: Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2787
Description[?]:
| An Act to make provision for the establishment of clear law regarding the powers and rights granted to the Executive of the realm regarding the Cabinet of State and to make provision for the establishment of clear law regarding the powers and rights granted to the Executive of the realm regarding Executive Decree, This Act was written in the year Twenty Seven Hundred and Eighty Six and is proposed by Senator Margaret Took, Senator for Shinatawa, Leader of the Conservative and Morality Party. Be it enacted by the Supreme President's most Excellent and Lawful approval, by and with the advice and consent of the Senators elected and their peers appointed, in this present sovereign Senate assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows___ Article 1 ~ The Supreme President of the Federal Republic of Solentia is recognised at the supreme source of Executive authority in the realm and as the seniormost official responsible for the actions of the Government of the day, the administration and Cabinet of State. Article 2 ~ The Supreme President of the Federal Republic of Solentia is charged with the responsibility of proposing the makeup of his/her desired cabinet, Head of Government inclusive. Article 3 ~ The Sovereign Senate of the Federal Republic of Solentia is charged with the responsibility of approving an initial cabinet proposal made by the Supreme President that is expected to last for the duration of his/her term in office and potentially beyond. Article 4 ~ The Sovereign Senate is expected to approve a Cabinet proposal made by the Supreme President upon his election as a mark of respect for the public’s choice and mandate vested in him above all others. Opposition to a cabinet proposal should only be given with grounded reason and cause. Article 5 ~ In the event of the resignation, death or incapacity of a cabinet member, Head of Government inclusive, to fulfil their duties after the Senate has approved a cabinet proposal for this term of office, the Supreme President has the authority by Executive Decree (see below) to appoint a replacement minister for the duration of his/her term in office. Article 6 ~ The Supreme President of the Federal Republic of Solentia is charged with the responsibility of fulfilling his/her democratic mandate to the best of his/her ability upon election. Article 7 ~ This Sovereign Senate, realising that such is not always possible through legislation by nature of the partisan Senate and opposition in Senate, allows the power of Executive Decree to be granted to the Supreme President. a) The Supreme President of the Federal Republic of Solentia is only permitted to use Executive Decree in situations during which he/she believes that his/her democratic mandate may be threatened by the Senate/ during which the stability of the nation is at risk/ during times of war. b) The Supreme President of the Federal Republic of Solentia is only permitted to use Executive Decree for a limited time-scale that must be outlined when the decree is given and cannot exceed a maximum time of five years. c) The Supreme President of the Federal Republic of Solentia’s Executive Decrees may be overridden by a Senatorial Majority of 2/3rds. Article 8 ~ This Act is legal and binding legislation and shall pass with a majority of the Senate voting in the affirmative. Article 9 ~ This Act can be overturned by a 2/3rds majority of the Senate voting in the affirmative in a vote specifically designed to remove it. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:42:41, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | This gives far too much power to the executive. Power must rest equally with Senate and the Supreme Presidency. This is not just a matter of the current Presidency but for all future presidencies. Please consider what, for instance, a Victorian presidency would do if it had such an exective fiat bound only by self-determined emergencies. We cannot risk it. We must not risk it. |
| Date | 19:02:57, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | "The Conservative and Morality Party remain convinced that a balance of power and equilibrium between Senatorial Sovereignty and Supreme Presidential Authority has been found in this proposal. The Senate still retains powers to overrule the Supreme President if required, as well all know we would if, continuign your example, a Victorian Supreme President, issues any articles that were deemed unfit." Margaret Took (C; Sh) CMP Leader |
| Date | 19:44:10, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | This bill is a disgrace and a further showing of how the CMP does little to listen to anyone elses opinions or compromise at all. The President cannot and should not be allowed to just appoint ministers. They could appoint family members, criminals etc, We have to have the right in this senate to approve the members of the Presidential team. Lady Gaga |
| Date | 19:48:24, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | "Actually, you don't. The public voted in the Supreme President to run the executive and yet this senate thinks they have the inherent right to intervene in that process. The public want their mandate to stand, not be overriden by a power-hungry senator. The Solentian people elect the Supreme Presidents and expect them to be able to do them without needless intervention." Margaret Took (C; Sh) CMP Leader |
| Date | 19:52:31, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | Wrong. I don't get how long it will take you to understand this, you really are the most stupid and pathetic waste of time. The Law states, that the Supreme President is elected and is allowed to rule for the period in office as the Supreme President. The Law also states that the Cabinet must be approved by the Senate with a majority of the senate supporting it. Nowhere however, does it say that a President can just appoint whoever they want to replace ministers. You may like to think you speak for the Solentian people but I am speaking for what the Law and Constitution of this country actually is. You are failing to understand basic law and constittuional issues. The law states that the cabinet is appointed by the President and approved by the Senate. Its as simple as that. Lady Gaga OOC: Please tell me you're just role playing an uneducated person? You surely must understand where I and the Meritocratic Party are coming from? |
| Date | 19:57:47, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | "Again, the Lady remains clueless. The Supreme President is the supreme head of the executive, it is THEIR cabinet of state, THEIR government, THEIR administration. The Supreme President should have the right to appoint whoever they like to replace minister for the purpose of keeping the nation running. We are pushing to have the law reflect that inherent right. The Senate however, is a legislative body, it has no inherent right to interfere in the workings of the Executive. Again, we are pushing for that too. It's called party policy, you wouldn't understand the term." Margaret Took (C; Sh) CMP Leader ooc: ooc insults on people's intelligence is not appreciated by this RPing community. Keep it civil. |
| Date | 20:01:23, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | OOC: Can we possibly get a mod in on this. I am sick of this debate. |
| Date | 20:06:28, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc: A mod for an IC debate? They don't intervene with stuff as long as it's IC. This is about how two parties view the roles of the executive and legislature and their functions/powers etc. As it's all IC, the mods don't get involved. |
| Date | 20:22:27, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | OOC- But how else can me and the SRNP show you are wrong? |
| Date | 20:24:53, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc: You don't need to. OOC I know exactly what you're saying even if I disagree. It's not a case of showing me that I'm wrong or vice versa, it's a case of RPing the situation through. Look at what the SRNP are doing, reforming into a more radical group, you had the right idea with small protests, that's the kind of thing that people can react to. We don't need to agree on the subject IC, it can be used as the major difference between our parties, a point of contention for the next 100 years if need be. |
| Date | 20:31:48, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc- but if you are breaking the laws to have the president get more power, then you are ruining the game imo |
| Date | 20:47:00, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc: It's not breaking the law, it's changing the law. |
| Date | 21:00:22, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc: it is breaking the law as the law hasnt been changed and you and the fip are doing what you want. |
| Date | 21:03:37, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc: What exactly do you think this bill is? - changing the law. Can we take this IC now please, the ooc comments are taking up the debate. |
| Date | 21:09:22, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc- what you have been doing so far has been breaking the law is what i am saying. By putting in a defence minister not approved by the senate, when it is law to do so . |
| Date | 21:11:36, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc: It doesn't matter if it's against the law in your eyes, thats the point- it's a point of contention in interpretation of the law between parties. A good point for RPing. Look at how much IC debate has been going it, it's all a positive thing. |
| Date | 21:19:40, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc: commie100, you might enjoy the game better if you don't mistake IC for OOC. It's a game. These extra debates are interesting because they go beyond what we can normally do with game mechanics. It's why a set of approved methods and measures have been developed (see the forums) for doing all kings of rp that would not have normally existed within the framework of the game, This kind of RP depends on people not getting too upset. I welcome the RP, because frankly Solentia is often one of the most boring nations around. |
| Date | 21:26:30, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc: lol I agree with the Solentia being boring thing. Half the time I think we're only here as we're all too stubborn to be the first to go. |
| Date | 21:54:10, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | lol. true. Quanzar was fun for awhile, as was Saridan, but I think I've just played here in Solentia so long I got used to the dynamics. |
| Date | 22:09:15, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | ooc- since my being made redundant, i have focused my attention on 3 things- finding a new job, this and my real life political commitments. So If I dont like the rules being broken im sorry. |
| Date | 23:01:08, July 14, 2009 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | OOC: SRNP, good to see the old party back :) Anyone else noticed that it all flares back up whenever I rejoin? I'm not even radical anymore ICly hehe... yet... IC: It is the opinion of the SHP that this proposal represents a more balanced approach than the proposal submitted by the SRNP. It clearly states the limitations of power placed on the Executive by the check of the Legislative branch, and does not vest too much power into anyone. I also wish to ask the Lady Gaga where in the Constitution it defines the methods for replacement of Ministers at ALL, much less by requiring Senatorial approval. If you're going to interpret the Constitution so literally (OOC: Which is an IC mistake, in my opinion, since the Constitution in game is very very weak and it's mainly a template) then you must do so consistently. There is NO defined method for the replacement of Ministers, so then we must define one. Andrew Thomas SHP Chairman |
| Date | 01:41:06, July 15, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | The Constituion says nothing about the President being allowed to replace ministers at his own free will. Until we have some law in place, the law and constituion is being broken by the entire government. Lady Gaga |
| Date | 23:49:39, July 15, 2009 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | Excellent news that this will pass and make sure we aren't breaking the law anymore then, eh? |
| Date | 17:51:08, May 31, 2012 CET | From | Chann National Party (CNP) | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Power Clarification Act 2786 |
| Message | This should be OOC... so its easier to find. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 229 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 196 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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