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Bill: Clarification of Procedual Matters

Details

Submitted by[?]: Alliance of Social Democrats

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 2789

Description[?]:

According to contemporary rules, as set forth be precedence, there are procedures and rules regarding debate in this country:

-All speakers shall start their speech with "Mr Speaker",
-All speakers shall end their speech with "I yield",
-All speakers shall debate with the upmost courtesy,
-All speakers shall address aristocrats and dignitaries with the appropriate titles,
-All members of the Imperial Parliament will be adressed at the third person as "The Right Honourable" (The Rt Hon),
-All members of the Imperial Supreme Court will be adressed at the third person as "His/Her Lordship/Ladyship".

Proposed Amendment:
- All parties that have no representation in the legislature shall open their statements with: "To the legislature" "To the People" or "A statement from the _________ Party"
- Said parties shall close their remarks with: "The name of the party" "We have no further comments on this matter"
- Parties under this amendment may follow the Code of Conduct as written.
- Once a party "enters" the legislature, they must follow conduct to the best of their ability.
- No citizen, other than the Head of State, may assume a title of nobility. All members of the Imperial Supreme Court are to be referred to as "The Right Honourable"

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date13:30:47, July 18, 2009 CET
FromLiberal Democratic Party of Luthori
ToDebating the Clarification of Procedual Matters
MessageLDP of Luthori Secretary to the Imperial Diet, the Rt Hon. David Bowman:

"Mr Speaker,

The LDP of Luthori will vote in favour of this proposal. We have always and will always support moves to establish and continue the true heritage and culture of our Empire.

However, we do oppose the sentiment that members of the Imperial Diet should be referred to as Mr/Mrs/Ms. Referring to these said people as The Right Honourable is a long-standing custom and we see no reason for it to be brought to an end. We do not see this as a way of politicians putting themselves above the population which they serve, it simply maintains tradition.

I yield."

OOC: The reason the initial Code of Conduct bill was not actually passed through the Diet is because we wanted to keep it on the front of the national page, so that new parties could see it. It essentially acts as an OOC, informative bill to new parties. To me it's not something that really requires ratification. That being said, if we're going to start attacking other parties for not following suit, a proper passed bill can't hurt.

I do agree with what you're saying about parties with zero seats, though. Perhaps those parties should have another opening sentence, maybe start by stating who is saying it and where they are (eg. John Smith, representative of Party A, to the media: "blah blah blah"). Just so that people know what is and what isn't being said within the actual Diet.

Date14:26:04, July 18, 2009 CET
FromConstitutionalist Imperial League (IA)
ToDebating the Clarification of Procedual Matters
MessageMr Speaker,

It is important that the SEP make the distinction between League mps and the Speaker of the Diet. Unlike League mps, the Speaker serves at the Emperor's will and is charged with maintaining discipline in the Diet and making sure procedure is followed. This passage: "Failure to abide will result with being denied speech by the Imperial Seal-Bearer." gives discplinary powers to the Speaker.

Furthemore, the CIL believes that only in front of the law are all men equal, in life, some are greater than others. In addition, the Code of Address particularly states: "within these walls" meaning that it applies to all debate and speech inside the Parliament building.

I yield.

OOC: Really, the code of address disciplinary powers are only there in case of willfull ignorance of the code, you will bnot be sanctioned for accidentaly using the wrong formula. That being said, I dont see any real need to pass this as a bill.

Date03:02:13, July 19, 2009 CET
FromAlliance of Social Democrats
ToDebating the Clarification of Procedual Matters
MessageMr. Speaker,

The Social Equality Party offers its apologies for previous errors in delivering statements to the legislature, however, we believe that if this bill passes, the CIL should edit the Code of Address to reflect such changes.

I yield.

OOC: I completely understand the need to avoid willful ignorance of the code, to add to the realism of this ordeal. And I apologize for my mistake. I think that it would be reasonable to adopt a few more titles of address for parties not in the Diet.

Date05:44:56, July 19, 2009 CET
FromLiberal Democratic Party of Luthori
ToDebating the Clarification of Procedual Matters
MessageLDP of Luthori Secretary to the Imperial Diet, the Rt Hon. David Bowman:

"Mr Speaker,

Based on changes to the bill which have occurred since my last statement, we must withdraw our support for it. Our concern lies with the final point, which states that "no citizen, other than the Head of State, may assume a title of nobility. All members of the Imperial Supreme Court are to be referred to as The Right Honourable."

We see no reason whatsoever to make this change to our system. Being granted nobility by our Emperor is one way in which great work can be recognised formally. Many great men and women of our Empire have been granted nobility based on the efforts they have put in to better our nation and better the lives of every single citizen.

Although we support all other proposals, we cannot vote in favour.

I yield."

Date09:41:46, July 19, 2009 CET
FromConstitutionalist Imperial League (IA)
ToDebating the Clarification of Procedual Matters
MessageMr Speaker.

The CIL thanks the SEP for its courtesy. The League would support the previous ammendments, however, due to the last ammendment being in direct contradiction with Imperial etiquette, we must vote nay.

I yield.

OOC: No problem, Luthori is a very complex nation (which makes it so much fun to play) and its absolutely normal to get confused at first :)

Date16:00:12, July 19, 2009 CET
FromLuthori Republican Party
ToDebating the Clarification of Procedual Matters
MessageMr Speaker,

As a republican party, albeit very conservative, we support this bill. We hope to work out a compromise in the future.

I yield.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 0

no
  

Total Seats: 106

abstain
  

Total Seats: 94


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