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Bill: Military
Details
Submitted by[?]: Party of the Pro-Kalopian Dynasty
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2792
Description[?]:
| Although we would like to add more to this bill, we understand for in order to get it passed, we must comply, and leave out a few extra sections that we would prefer in the bill, for our Communist leaders to pass this bill. We hope that we've made everything reasonable. Pantaleon Zopyros, Head of the PPKD |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Current: A civilian police force is in place, backed up by the military.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place, backed up by the military.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term of civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term in the military.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Current: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Proposed: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:48:27, July 26, 2009 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Military |
| Message | Oppose 3, 4, and 1 a little bit, and are ok with 2. We will have to consider this. |
| Date | 01:53:08, July 26, 2009 CET | From | Party of the Pro-Kalopian Dynasty | To | Debating the Military |
| Message | Well, since I haven't put this to vote, maybe you can tell use the issues you have with these proposals, and we may be able to work out a compromise? |
| Date | 01:56:01, July 26, 2009 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Military |
| Message | Article 1 we feel is uncessary, but we are not particularly opposed to it. However, we do not want any restrictions on whether the people's government can sell arms or use nuclear weapons. If we feel it necessary to use tactical nuclear weapons to gain an advantage on the battlefield, we wish to do that. In a revelutionary war, for the survival of the people and the nation, there can be no rules like this. Arms exports to close allies of the people should not be ruled out either, and the sexism in article 5 goes against our socialist values of the equality of all human beings. Ie, if you just left 1 and 2, we would support. |
| Date | 02:08:03, July 26, 2009 CET | From | Party of the Pro-Kalopian Dynasty | To | Debating the Military |
| Message | Well why kill civilians in the nation for no reason? Unless we can't win otherwise, I see no point. Well, if we fix Article 4 to make it say that arms can only be exported to close Allies, would that be okay? And we shouldn't be killing our mothers out in the battlefield. If they help medically, help with supplies, etc., that's seems fine. |
| Date | 02:09:18, July 26, 2009 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Military |
| Message | We cannot support sexism in the army, and we will not support your party trying to tell the people's army what weapons it can use. Be careful sir, sexism and cowardice do not go down well in this party... |
| Date | 02:16:31, July 26, 2009 CET | From | Party of the Pro-Kalopian Dynasty | To | Debating the Military |
| Message | So how about this: We keep the first two articles. Three and 5 are removed. And we switch four to the article in my above post. Would you support it? |
| Date | 02:24:07, July 26, 2009 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Military |
| Message | Yes, then that is acceptable. |
| Date | 02:37:42, July 26, 2009 CET | From | Party of the Pro-Kalopian Dynasty | To | Debating the Military |
| Message | Okay. I'll put it to vote then. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 356 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 99 |
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