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Bill: National Security Bill-Foreign Affairs
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Action Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2800
Description[?]:
| The reality of Terra is it is a dangerous world. A nation cannot safely take the moral high ground in regards to its national security. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Nation's policy with regards to an intelligence agency.
Old value:: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Current: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Proposed: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:51:12, August 08, 2009 CET | From | Green Party of Aldegar | To | Debating the National Security Bill-Foreign Affairs |
| Message | We might want to start talking about international security and human security. Down with national security. |
| Date | 01:08:29, August 09, 2009 CET | From | Social Justice Party | To | Debating the National Security Bill-Foreign Affairs |
| Message | We agree with the GPA on this issue. With history as a peace-loving nation and one that has not historically accumulated great amounts of dangerous arms, Aldegar should not reconvert itself simply due to the militaristic aims of a nascent party. It would send shockwaves throughout the international community if Aldegar were to change itself, particularly in the area of nuclear development. Perhaps if Aldegar had already been a nuclear power, then keeping nuclear weapons would be justifiable or if Aldegar were at war, then dangerous covert operations could be palatable, but because none of these things are true, we cannot support this bill. We also cannot support the use of landmines which tend to be more dangerous for civilians than military personnel. Not unless Aldegar were some weak third-world nation could we even think of a defence for this as a last resort. |
| Date | 01:10:41, August 09, 2009 CET | From | Social Justice Party | To | Debating the National Security Bill-Foreign Affairs |
| Message | Furthermore, we refute your idea of security pragmatism at the expense of the moral highground. On the contrary, Aldegar's status as a peace-loving nation is what gives it security. Because there are many other peace-loving nations, these nations are more likely to view Aldegar as similar and one of its own and to condemn and perhaps fight back against imperialistic and militaristic nations that violate the typical choice of neutrality of a fellow peace-loving nation. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 499 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: The Real-Life Equivalents Index is a valuable resource for finding out the in-game equivalents of real-life cultures, languages, religions, people and places: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6731 |
| Random quote: "To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is barbarity." - Maximilien Robespierre |