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Bill: Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberaldemokratische Allianz
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2802
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Current: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:56:48, August 15, 2009 CET | From |  Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act |
| Message | (As stated in the other nuclear thread) We gain anything from nuclear weapons. They are not effective tactical weapons, nor are they practical strategic devices. A potential hostile nation that possesses nuclear weaponry and is of a collective mind to utilize such weaponry would do so no matter the state of armament of the other nation. Likewise, nations that have nuclear stockpiles but as a matter of policy or practice will only use them in a second-strike capacity pose absolutely no nuclear threat to Hulstria. Nuclear weapons, then, fail to make Hulstria more secure; they will not dissuade a foe wholeheartedly committed to using nukes, nor will they have impact on a foe set on using their arsenal as a second-strike force. Hulstria is better served by using the money saved by eliminating nuclear weapons to develop new and more effective traditional weaponry. Conventional missiles, guns, planes, etc. are the tools that our military would be using on a day to day basis to defend Hulstria and protect its interests, not nuclear weapons. |
| Date | 02:03:08, August 15, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act |
| Message | This Act is not mutually exclusive with the FAP's act. Research into nuclear weapons for international markets and scientific endeavors could continue, but the use of these weapons of mass destruction would be completely banned. This is a common sense act that preserves Hulstrian scientific knowledge while bringing real, practical conventional security benefits to the Imperial Crownlands. |
| Date | 08:31:43, August 15, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act |
| Message | The Governor-General called for centrist military policy, the basal Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act by the CLA is far from the middle of the political specturm. |
| Date | 08:41:01, August 15, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act |
| Message | Mr. Ewald is not looking for "centrist" policy, but a restoration of pro-nuclear policy. |
| Date | 08:52:44, August 15, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act |
| Message | If the SPGH continues to abstain from a vote, the FAP's Nuclear Hulstria Act of 2801 proposal will change Hulstrian nuclear policy by a vote of less than 39% of the Diet, approaching Mr. Ewald's charge of "pass[ing] against the will of over 2/3rds of the Imperial Diet." |
| Date | 14:40:20, August 15, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act |
| Message | Now you know how I felt when the Platform Bill passed; I guess we can call it even. As far as centrist policy goes, the CLA has not exactly been so middle ground as of late either with their stances, equal blame can be spread out here. However that bill or this bill will not matter anyhow as the Nuclear Weapons Standards Act, the alternative bill I proposed to this, is going to pass and will install a true centrist policy with both nuclear and pacifist provisions. As for the SPGH, they actually support the Nuclear Hulstria Act of 2801 and have changed their position on that policy but choose to abstain; so technically 2/3rds of the Imperial Diet supports the re-institution of nuclear weapon development and storage, it is the use of such weaponry we're divided about. We got a compromise in the NWASA, let us pass it and be done with this debate. |
| Date | 20:20:49, August 15, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act |
| Message | The Platform Bill passed with a true majority of the Diet voting in favor, the Nuclear Hulstria Act of 2801 passed with only slightly more than a 1/3rd of the Diet voting in favor. That is not the same by any means and the rhetoric used by the FAP was misleading and untruthful. |
| Date | 21:25:55, August 15, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act |
| Message | The far-left, radical pacifist Platform Bill passed with TWO parties voting in favor without any debate or discussions, that is hardly a knockout! Sure you had a majority in terms of seats but you did not have a "true majority" within the political specturm of the Imperial Crownlands. The CLA can pound their fists all they want, you are wasting your energy complaining about a bill that will be obsolete in a few months; we obviously got disargeements, you support far-left nuclear policy while I support a more assertive one, and right now we have a bill (the NWASA) that contains both provisions in the interest of moderation and compromise. So let us stop beating this dead horse. |
| Date | 21:43:33, August 15, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Nuclear Weapons Regulation Act |
| Message | It does not matter how many political parties support a routine and ordinary bill, the only test of democratic legitimacy is the number of seats being tallied. The CLA support a defense policy that focuses our efforts on conventional weaponry in order to maximum the tactical and strategic assets of the Hulstrian military. The FAP's pro-nuclear, pro-chemical, and pro-biological agenda does nothing to increase the tangible security of the Imperial Crownlands. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 271 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 277 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 177 |
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