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Bill: Budget proposal of July 2817 - Defence Cuts
Details
Submitted by[?]: Country Liberal Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2818
Description[?]:
| The Country Liberal Party propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the Lodamese Union. Due to the passage of the following legislation http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=264254 , this country's NBC weapons programmes are to be wound down to a primarily research status. Therefore the finance Minister proposes that this is recognised in the defence budget, and proposes a 10% cut in defence spending to reflect the ending of certain defence programmes, whilst ensuring enough money is still available for decomissioning of said weapons and continued research into said technologies. We urge our fellow government partners to back. In particular we urge the Radical Nationalist Party to back. We in the CLP were also opposed to piece of legislation that was put forward by the URP, however it passed, and we must reflect that decision in the government budget. For the moment we aren't going to propose a tax cut, and would urge government ministers to contact us to discuss budget increases in other areas. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 500,000,000 LOD | 1,550,000,000 LOD | 1,550,000,000 LOD |
| Foreign Affairs | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 8,500,000,000 LOD | 8,500,000,000 LOD |
| Internal Affairs | 6,000,000,000 LOD | 31,000,000,000 LOD | 31,000,000,000 LOD |
| Finance | 1,500,000,000 LOD | 750,000,000 LOD | 750,000,000 LOD |
| Defence | 11,500,000,000 LOD | 150,000,000,000 LOD | 135,000,000,000 LOD |
| Justice | 5,500,000,000 LOD | 7,200,000,000 LOD | 7,200,000,000 LOD |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 7,500,000,000 LOD | 25,500,000,000 LOD | 25,500,000,000 LOD |
| Health and Social Services | 20,000,000,000 LOD | 26,000,000,000 LOD | 26,000,000,000 LOD |
| Education and Culture | 17,500,000,000 LOD | 12,000,000,000 LOD | 12,000,000,000 LOD |
| Science and Technology | 2,000,000,000 LOD | 21,000,000,000 LOD | 21,000,000,000 LOD |
| Food and Agriculture | 5,000,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD |
| Environment and Tourism | 500,000,000 LOD | 500,000,000 LOD | 500,000,000 LOD |
| Trade and Industry | 5,500,000,000 LOD | 19,500,000,000 LOD | 19,500,000,000 LOD |
| Total | 87,000,000,000 LOD | 307,500,000,000 LOD | 292,500,000,000 LOD |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:42:14, September 14, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2817 - Defence Cuts |
| Message | We would urge that the extra money goes into investment into improving barracks, manual equipment, training facilities and developing further military technologies. We will continue to oppose. |
| Date | 13:44:57, September 14, 2009 CET | From | Country Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2817 - Defence Cuts |
| Message | We urge the RNP to be realistic. This isn't a particularly hefty cut (given how expense Nuclear Weapons are for example). Our armed forces are already heavily funded. We are spending over 10% of our total GDP on defence currently (compared to 2.5% in the UK). That is a totally unfeasible scale of defence spending for a nation that is at peace, and has just ended its NBC programme. |
| Date | 13:47:25, September 14, 2009 CET | From | Country Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2817 - Defence Cuts |
| Message | Or look at it this way. If we follow the RNP proposal, and simply transfer the money to other military projects, then that means if ever we take up a new NBC programme in the future, we would have to INCREASE defence spending above current levels. That is madness. |
| Date | 15:53:33, September 14, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2817 - Defence Cuts |
| Message | The Liberal Party vehemently opposes any cuts to Defense. As we always say: There can never be too much defense. We also fully support the statements by the RNP and encourage the Defense Minister and Finance Minister to implement such suggestions. We will also seek to re-introduce legislation to authorize the storage and use of nuclear weapons. They are key to our deterrance capabilities. |
| Date | 19:54:41, September 14, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2817 - Defence Cuts |
| Message | If we do re-establish our nuclear abilities that funding can be re-allocated from the areas it has been pumped into, We feel that the current rate of investment into Defence is the prime figure. OOC: You used the example of the UK, the UK defence is hardly standard bearer of perfection. A crumbling Navy, borrowing aircraft from the US, soldiers buying their own equipment, wounded service men relying on aid from charities. If anything the example of the UK only makes the argument for investment stronger. |
| Date | 22:21:20, September 14, 2009 CET | From | Country Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2817 - Defence Cuts |
| Message | ooc: By four times as much? And, ironically, the UK's defence spending is higher (as a %) than all of her NATO allies, except the states. Plus, unlike Lodamun, the UK has to balance resources. |
| Date | 04:25:54, September 15, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2817 - Defence Cuts |
| Message | OOC: US spends 4.7% of GDP on military (not counting war spending) we currently spend.... 8.14% |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 143 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 57 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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