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Bill: Secular Act # 1

Details

Submitted by[?]: Liberal Democratic Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2819

Description[?]:

Religious schools should be regulated to ensure that 'hate schools' are not built for those who do not agree with Rutania's freedoms and wish to destroy them.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date22:35:28, September 15, 2009 CET
From Rutanian Restoration Party
ToDebating the Secular Act # 1
MessageThe whole point of freedom is that you have the ability to 'hate' those freedoms. We cannot shut out far-out views just because we view them as radical and hateful. This could be perceived as a form of "Liberal Fascism." We do not like it, but we cannot allow this.

Freedom is freedom, you either have it or you don't. It cannot be compromised.

Date00:13:12, September 16, 2009 CET
From Rutanian Heritage Party
ToDebating the Secular Act # 1
MessageWhy should religious schools be 'strictly regulated', moreso than non-religious schools? If families have decided that their child should go to a religious school, presumably they endorse that school's religion and want their child to be taught in a manner consistent with its values and creed. Where, then, does the need for regulation arise? We fail to see it. When the federal government is involved in the regulation of any institution in which values are concerned, ultimately the government's own values and ideologies are pushed upon that institution - in the typical federal axe-grinding manner - and even if they aren't, the risk that they can be is far too great.
This legislation is nothing other than an attempt by the LDP to force government intervention on religion, not out of necessity or, in fact, any reason whatsoever, but out of a bitterness and hatred towards Christianity that has become abundantly clear. If the LDP are truly concerned with those religions that "do not agree with Rutania's freedoms and wish to destroy them", why do they not propose a piece of legislation specifically targeting the groups and schools that may actually present a threat - such as radical Islamic schools, perhaps - rather than imposing harsh regulations on every religious school in the assumption that they are all, somehow, secretly plotting to undermine the nation.

Date14:12:21, September 16, 2009 CET
From People's Party of Rutania
ToDebating the Secular Act # 1
MessageThe PPR would support this bill on the grounds of freedom of the individual, despite the fuzzy view of freedom by the Orange Party. Where is the childs freedom of religious choice? There should be no such thing as a Christian child, but instead a child of Christian parents, who through education can make his/her own choice. This extends to all faith, Christianity was used purely for illustrative purposes.

Date21:23:38, September 16, 2009 CET
From Rutanian Restoration Party
ToDebating the Secular Act # 1
MessageThe Orange Party fail to see how the definition of freedom we have offered is "fuzzy." We argue that freedom is freedom and that it cannot be compromised. That seems pretty concrete, if you ask me. Please elaborate on this point, we'd rather prefer to hear the People's Party definition.

Also, these Christian schools are separate from the public education system so how would one be forced to attend?

It is more than safe to assume that those attending these schools agree with the theology, and academic curriculae of said institution. That being said, how then does this hamper the attendee's freedom?

Date22:48:35, September 16, 2009 CET
From Liberal Democratic Party
ToDebating the Secular Act # 1
MessageAlthough the Liberal Democratic Party would eventually like to ban religious schools altogether, we see that we need to progress to that point. This is the initial step.

People are free to hate Rutania, but if they are attending schools that are teaching that violence and terrorism are the way forward, then the State should have the power to close these schools.

Date02:49:56, September 17, 2009 CET
From Rutanian Heritage Party
ToDebating the Secular Act # 1
MessageIt has become abundantly clear that the LDP has an aggressive and pernicious vendetta against Christianity, rooted in a deep-seated hatred for the religion, and based on nothing other than their bizarre ideology and personal biases. They deliberately ignore that Christianity is a deeply embedded and fundamental institution in Rutania's cultural, moral and social heritage, and that it has provided the basis upon which our entire civilized society is built. They also blatantly ignore and violate their own supposedly 'liberal' principles, which aim to protect religious freedom and liberty rather than outlawing it altogether, much akin to the most tyrannical communist regimes of history.
Again, we are baffled by the LDP's statements, which reflect a tendency towards the radical, far-left, and we are compelled to ask the impending question - what kind of 'liberal' party seeks to "ban religious schools altogether"?

Date03:45:59, September 17, 2009 CET
From Liberal Democratic Party
ToDebating the Secular Act # 1
MessageThe Liberal Democratic Party has no vendetta against any religions, and I'm not sure why the Heritage Party has singled out Christianity. We disagree with the statement that Christianity is deeply embedded in Rutania's culture, with recent polls showing that the majority (59.6%) describe themselves as secular.

This bill and future bills are not in any way trying to outlaw religion. We believe there should be a state education system only, not any private or religious schools.

And it is perfectly typical of a far-right party to be running scared of any new party that suggests giving more power and opportunity to the people.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
    

Total Seats: 71

no
   

Total Seats: 234

abstain

    Total Seats: 0


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