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Bill: Cabinet Formation Reform Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2820
Description[?]:
| This bill will: 1) Grant the President the sole power to propose a cabinet coalition. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Only the largest party can propose a cabinet.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:53:03, September 18, 2009 CET | From | Tomato Searching Anarchist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | No! Unnecessary bureaucratic restrain on normal negotiation process that could lead into unsolvable bottlenecks in case President lacks 50% support. |
| Date | 00:57:00, September 19, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | The President always has at least 50% support of the voters. That's our law. Perhaps, the TSAP meant support within Parliament. If that's the case, we must point, again, to the point we just made: The President is elected by more than 50% of the voters. Who are we to go against the wishes of the people? |
| Date | 08:23:14, September 19, 2009 CET | From | Tomato Searching Anarchist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | President is voted as lesser evil of two candidates that go further than round 1. In the second round 60 million out of 284 decided not to vote because their choices were not there. Yet for parliament - all 284 million voted, thus Parliament represents the will of 284 million people, whilst President of 220 million. Even more President represents the will only of 114 millions, since that is number voted for him. In Parliament it is possible to create coalition excluding President that would represent will of ~ 170 million people. Lowest possible coalition in Parliament would still need 50% of 284 million which is 140 million, which is more than voted for President. So - No! |
| Date | 08:26:01, September 19, 2009 CET | From | Tomato Searching Anarchist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | When TSAP sees more people voting for President in the second round than voted for Parliament then our party might change our mind. This time no. Plus we would look to stress that seeing Kynes as President is moving Lodamun back in time when dynasties rather than people personal qualities matter. |
| Date | 18:20:24, September 19, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | The TSAP has made a very vague generalization which can prove to be wrong from a mathematical point of view. 50% of the votes in Parliament do not necessarily represent 50% of 240 million people. In order to make that calculation, we must go in detail as to who those members of Parliament are and where they come from. At any given time, the President represents more people than ANY member of Parliament. |
| Date | 20:19:31, September 19, 2009 CET | From | Tomato Searching Anarchist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | "At any given time, the President represents more people than ANY member of Parliament." "At any given time, the ruling coalition represents more people than ANY President" |
| Date | 20:51:18, September 19, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | Are you sure about that? Please, don't undermine our intelligence. The TSAP just made an absurd comment. That is not the truth in many cases. |
| Date | 21:18:17, September 19, 2009 CET | From | Tomato Searching Anarchist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | Anyway, that is the truth of these elections. Please prove that it is possible to have a ruling coalition approved by 50% of Parliament seats which would represent less people than voted for President! And then we may change our mind. |
| Date | 22:11:56, September 19, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | A Liberal President who calls all those who disagree with his viewpoint absurd. Deja vu? |
| Date | 07:33:34, September 20, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: Unless I sign with a character's name, it's a member of Parliament speaking. I have said it several times before. IC: We will look into that (and we do have the example---it's just a matter of doing the research. |
| Date | 16:54:02, September 20, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Formation Reform Act |
| Message | Well do it, lazy. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 64 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 136 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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