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Bill: Strict Seperation of Church and State
Details
Submitted by[?]: Chaos Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2133
Description[?]:
| This bill calls for a strict adherence to the removal and continued restriction of the use of any thiestic verbage or symbology in government funded or sponsored activities. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated.
Current: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Proposed: Religious schools are not allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:41:45, October 26, 2005 CET | From | Capitalism Now! Party | To | Debating the Strict Seperation of Church and State |
| Message | No way. God's children needs their schools! |
| Date | 00:23:09, October 27, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Strict Seperation of Church and State |
| Message | Ridiculous. There is a difference between the seperation of church and state and the supression of religion. |
| Date | 02:16:33, October 27, 2005 CET | From | Chaos Party | To | Debating the Strict Seperation of Church and State |
| Message | This bill does not ban nor suprress religion but simply requires that religion stay out of government funded or sponsored activities. It is the responsibility of the government to ensure that every child receives a fair and well rounded education. The only purpose that religious schools serve over and above the public school system is to instill the religious values of that thiestic realm. Religions are more then welcome to teach these religious values at a seperate time. In a traditional school setting, focus should be on basics needed to survive in today's world. Math, science, english, and the social sciences are losing out in religious schools so that the focus can be on thiestic teachings. |
| Date | 04:26:06, October 27, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Strict Seperation of Church and State |
| Message | The government merely permits religions to create schools, besides that the government has nothing to do with those schools besides making sure that the students who attend them get a decent education. |
| Date | 04:47:15, October 27, 2005 CET | From | Capitalism Now! Party | To | Debating the Strict Seperation of Church and State |
| Message | Plus, religious schools are strictly regulated. |
| Date | 11:11:23, October 27, 2005 CET | From |  Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the Strict Seperation of Church and State |
| Message | People should be allowed the freedom to send their kids to these places if they so wish. We wouldn't want to limit their pesonal freedom... |
| Date | 15:09:12, October 27, 2005 CET | From | People's Equality Party | To | Debating the Strict Seperation of Church and State |
| Message | We feel that this is a good idea, while we support the right of people to be religious if they choose, religious ideas such not be passed off as facts in schools. There are thousands of issues when education is put behind religion in religious schools, evolution vs creationism, theories on creation of the universe, human rights, law and order. Religious schools cheat the children sent there out of a good education. As a member of the International Secularist Society and founder member of the Promotion of Science and Reason the People's Equality Party supports this bill. |
| Date | 16:10:51, October 27, 2005 CET | From | Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the Strict Seperation of Church and State |
| Message | So you just replace one dogma with another? |
| Date | 00:39:00, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Chaos Party | To | Debating the Strict Seperation of Church and State |
| Message | As the bill stands, it does not support any dogma but instead changes policy so that children are only taught facts during their impressionable years. Religious schools promote ideas that have no basis in fact or logic and these ideas should not supercede sound, everyday learning of math, science, english and the social sciences. If a religion chooses to spread its dogma, it should do so at more appropriate time so as to not impede on the rights of the children to learn more necessary skills. |
| Date | 02:52:38, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Strict Seperation of Church and State |
| Message | The Chaos Party and the People's Equality Party obviously do not know that there is more than one type of religious school. There are, for example, Yeshivas, where Jews go to study the Tanakh; there are Quaker schools where students recieve quality education alongside respect for others. We reccommend that you do some research into them. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 388 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 12 |
| Random fact: Information about the population of each country can be found on the Population Information thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8663 |
| Random quote: "Only the educated are free." - Epictetus |