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Bill: Prisoners Education
Details
Submitted by[?]: Capitalizt Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2133
Description[?]:
| Education is a waste of money and time for prisoners that could be spent for something more useful, like working (non paid, of course). I am not saying rehabilitation is not useful. It is, but for 0,1% of prisoners. The others laugh at it. They laugh at a huge quantity of taxpayers money spent on people who damaged the society. Let 'em laugh at work. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Education in prisons.
Old value:: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Current: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Proposed: Prisoners are not given any form of education.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:52:39, October 28, 2005 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | Hmm..tough. Maybe if you add a paid wage for work. |
| Date | 17:57:31, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | I would be much more tougher if there was an option for. No paid wage. They made the error to mess with the society, they must pay, not the society. |
| Date | 18:21:21, October 28, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | Rehabilititaion should have priority over punishment. What use is it locking people up only to let them free to reoffend. We must try to break this cycle and in-prison education is an important part of this. |
| Date | 18:56:27, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | Yes UB. There's just a little problem: it doesn't work most times. |
| Date | 19:03:59, October 28, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | We would rather see the system improved if, as you claim, it doesn't work. Scrapping it just means that those who are affected by it are no longer able to be rehabilitated. |
| Date | 19:21:22, October 28, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | We support the UB on this. Rehabilitation has been proved to be succesful in numerous cases and providing those offenders with a means of providing for themselves upon release. We supported the unpaid work for offenders in order for hem to give something back to society, but society must also not ignore these people. Education helps prepare these people for productive lives upon their release and also gives them a chance to break the cycle of crime which sent them to prison. |
| Date | 19:23:42, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | With tighter (MUCH tighter) punishments they won't dare to do what they did one more time. When you know what kind of punishment you'd reserver for your acts you'd think twice on what you plan to do. |
| Date | 19:26:31, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | "Education helps prepare these people for productive lives upon their release" WSS!P, education helps if they want it. If they don't want it since the principle, education won't move a neuron of their brain. |
| Date | 01:15:29, October 29, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | But if you don't at least provide it, then it helps no one. That would help those that do want it...how? |
| Date | 14:29:44, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | You are right, it helps no one. But we can't waste this for an insignificant minority. |
| Date | 20:16:30, October 29, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Prisoners Education |
| Message | You believe it to be a minority. There is no evidence to support this so you might well be incorrect and be stopping the majority of offenders from gaining an education. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 141 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 171 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 88 |
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