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Bill: Moralization Proclamation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partiya Nacionalnogo Progressa
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2044
Description[?]:
| We need healthy moralize our society. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy toward marriage.
Old value:: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Current: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Proposed: Civil marriages are defined by local governments.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The use of cannabis for medicinal purposes.
Old value:: Cannabis is legal as a sedative for patients in pain.
Current: Cannabis is legal as a sedative for patients in pain.
Proposed: The medicinal use of cannabis is illegal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:21:27, April 29, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | Why should you decide that for me? |
| Date | 12:28:38, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Nacionalnogo Progressa | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | Disregard this bill. It is not for you. |
| Date | 12:33:42, April 29, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | Eh? You cannot disregard the law, unless you like to live in prison. |
| Date | 17:18:57, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | Wait what? I'm sorry i have to vote no against the bill. As much as i would like marriage to be defined by the local government, health is important as well. And if smoking weed, will help control epilepsy and other diseases/conditions. Then i must vote no. If you remove the cannabis part, i will vote yes on this though. |
| Date | 17:36:46, April 29, 2005 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | It is essential that we uphold civil rights, we have had plenty of debate, particularly on marriage and feel that raising the issue yet again is unnecessary. The law as it stands is fine. |
| Date | 17:40:54, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | You should be making comments on the cannabis part, not the marriage. Are you telling me civil rights, is more important than health? What is wrong with you people! I am surprised at the stupidity of the voters, when they keep voting against Health and Safety! |
| Date | 17:44:51, April 29, 2005 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | If you want my opinion on the cannabis, I am quite happy with it remaining legal for medicinal purposes only (I voted for legalisation in the first place) |
| Date | 17:48:21, April 29, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | Yes, civil rights is more important than health. Or to be precise, civil rights is the responsibility of the parliament, health isn't. |
| Date | 17:52:46, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | Well making cannabis illegal for medicinal purposes, shows that health is also affected by the parliament. We can easily say we ban hospitals, and only the strong will survive the epidemics. PNP, please remove the cannabis, and you will get my vote. |
| Date | 17:59:24, April 29, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | The SDC opposes this bill. Civil rights, and marriage equality is a civil reights issue, are the respsonsibility of the federal government. Every citizen in Telamon deserves equal rights regardless of what province they live in. As to medicinal marijuana, I find no harm in that and do not believe it qualifies as a moral issue. There are far more important issues that this Parliament can address than trying to force itself into people's decisions on love and health. |
| Date | 18:08:06, April 29, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | Conservatives: Those are civil rights issues in the sense that doing wrong (your two examples) is stupid restrictions of people's freedom. |
| Date | 18:33:53, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | So you restrict the peoples right, to choose whether they should recognize gay marriage or not? Talk about a frigging hypocrite... |
| Date | 23:19:54, April 29, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | It is not up to people to choose whether someone should or should not get married. We risk outlawing interracial marriage if we let people decide based on ignorant prejudices. When a majority restricts the rights of a minority for no sensible reason that is tyranny. It is the job of the federal government to guard against tyranny. |
| Date | 23:29:29, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | It does not matter if you think it is ignorant prejudice. I myself, only want to marry within my culture, am i prejudiced, because i won't consider dating "colored" girls? It is up the community to decide, wheter they would allow gay marriage or inter-racial marraige. But seeing as how Inter-racial marriage is not the subject here. The only thing they could ban is marriage between the same sex. When we get a law that would allow us to ban Inter-racial marriage, then we'll talk. In the mean time, this is about the local governments right to not recognize Same Sex Marriage, which you are oppressing. To me that is tyranny over majority. |
| Date | 00:10:58, April 30, 2005 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | Conservative Party: I am becoming increasingly concerned by some of your views. So far in Telamon despite vigarous debate and disagreement over many policies (which is of course good) we have managed to avoid the 'fate' of some of the other nations such as Dorvik who seem to have very active (and sometimes frighteningly successful) far right parties. I hope that that can be avoided here and that you are not perhaps becoming, in certain instances at least, a facist party in disguise? |
| Date | 00:51:49, April 30, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | When we take away the marriage rights of the majority, then you can talk to me about tyranny. Government recognition of same-sex marriage does not force churches or any other religous body to recognize them as well. If it did, then you could talk to me about tyranny. To say that a person who has never met a homosexual has any right to judge them and their ability to love is ludicrous. Besides, this is not a situation where an unelected court is making the decision. Instead it has been shown repeatedly in Telamon that the elected members of the Parliament have voted for marriage equality. More than one election has been held since then and the MPs in support of marriage equality only gain seats. The community of Telamon apparently approves of civil rights for all. |
| Date | 04:22:44, April 30, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | I do have facist tendencies yes, Whenever i play political style games, or just watching the news, the way the people think, is much like children, with politicans, being more or less the parents. Children want, whatever makes them happy....they want to eat junk food, they do not care about religion, except on christmas for presents. But overall they only care for their own wellbeing, they don't care about everyone as a whole. That's why i feel like i connect to dictators, as scary as this may sound me being a Jew and all, i understood what Hitler wanted... i'm not saying it's right, but i understood his ideaology. Individual and Minority rights are important, but they have to come 2nd to civilization as a whole. I myself do not care about Gay Marriage....i frankly do not care about the enviroment, and i feel that religion is useless, and we would be better off with vigilante groups. So why do i go to synagouge every day? Why do i take the time to recycle, and be enviromentally concious? Why do i press you guys to vote against same sex marriage? Simple...i think of the long term. In the long term, one civil rights leads to another...which leads to another, not saying we should oppress the people, but that we should draw the line, and just say...deal with it! In the long term, if we do not recycle, and reduce CFC's and pollution, our planet would be devestated. In the long term....without religion, rules break down. Religion has always kept the peace. Which is why Fundamentalism and Moralistic Democracies, i view as the best governments, 2nd only to Communism. Which obviously could be intergrated to the two. I hope i posted my views clearly, and you can understand a little more about why i think the way i do. If you have any other questions, you can always PM me. |
| Date | 12:12:50, April 30, 2005 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | Thank you for letting us all know your views. Do you really honestly believe that religion has always kept the peace? What about the crusades, the French wars of religion, the 30 years war, the Dutch revolt to name but a few historical religious wars. Seconldy, individual rights are what makes up civilisation. |
| Date | 16:43:31, April 30, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Nacionalnogo Progressa | To | Debating the Moralization Proclamation |
| Message | "individual rights are what makes up civilisation" China is one of the oldest civilization, but individual right never take place in it. And of course, all first civilizations before ~600 B.D. were despotic. But barbarians always have a great individual rights. we |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 43 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 42 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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