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Bill: Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Liberal Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2874
Description[?]:
| We, the Parliament of the United Republics of Lodamun, define a terrorist organization as follows: 1- A terrorist organization is an organization which promote violence, instability, and chaos throughout the world to advance its own agenda. The following clauses will apply upon the passage of this amendment: Article 1- No political party in Lodamun shall be a member of a declared terrorist organization. Punishment by law will occur should this article be infringed (OOC: This does not prohibit you from joining the organization in the technical way but do not let it be known in RP. Article 2- No political party in Lodamun shall promote a declared terrorist organization's goals and/or tactics of oppression and fear. Punishment by law will occur should this article be infringed. Article 3- No political party in Lodamun shall provide assistance of any kind to a declared terrorist organization. Punishment by law will occur should this article be infringed. Article 4- A declared terrorist organization shall be considered enemy of the state. Article 5- Members of political parties in Lodamun shall not be members of declared terrorist organizations. Punishment by law will occur should this article be infringed. Article 6- Lodamun and Lodamese government officials will not be allowed to, in any sense of the word, promote, support, or aide the activities of a declared terrorist organization. Any government official elected or non-elected who violates this law will be immediately relieved of his/her duty and arrested pending impeachment and criminal trial. Article 7- An organization can be declared a terrorist organization by a resolution in Parliament passed with a 2/3 majority. Upon passage of the resolution, said organization becomes a declared terrorist organization. To withdraw an organization from the terrorist organization list, a resolution in Parliament passed with a 2/3 majority is necessary. All of the above Articles can be amended with an amendment to the Constitutional amendment. Such amendment to the amendment requires a 2/3 majority of Parliament voting in the affirmative in order to pass. This is a Constitutional Amendment and requires a 2/3 majority of Parliament to vote in the affirmative in order to pass. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:52:15, January 06, 2010 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | This bill seriously infringes on the rights of minority parties. Parliament has already witnessed how these "amendments" have been twisted by the LP to suit its political purposes. If a crime is committed then law should be applied that already exists. Simply labelling an organization as a terrorist group if it does not enjoy 2/3 support in Parliament tramples on the rights of the remaining third. |
| Date | 03:59:18, January 06, 2010 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | This bill does not infringe on minority parties' rights. If you support a terrorist organization that harms our citizens, you do not deserve to work for our citizens. Keep in mind that joining an organization may not be considered promoting its goals. But that would be a question for the Supreme Court to decide on. And "labeling" requires 2/3 of Parliament for it to occur. That's a supermajority. Any labeling will have to be approved by Parliament. The people decide who gets elected to Parliament not the members of our party. This law will clarify some points any of our current laws do not. The point is that it will protect our citizens and our country as a whole. Not supporting this amendment will be denying our citizens the protection from terrorists organization that can potentially do great harm to them. |
| Date | 06:15:46, January 06, 2010 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | This "amendment" doesn't define what a terrorist organization is other than whatever a 2/3 majority decides. There is nothing to prevent a 2/3 majority from using this law to beat up on a minor party, and it provides zero security benefits. |
| Date | 06:19:14, January 06, 2010 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | Did you even read the bill? "A terrorist organization is an organization which promote violence, instability, and chaos throughout the world to advance its own agenda." |
| Date | 08:08:29, January 06, 2010 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | So an organization promoting violence just in Lodamun is not subject to this law since it would not operate throughout the world? The idea that an organization could be declared a terrorist one simply for "promoting instability" is insane. Any opposition to the ruling majority could be labeled as such. |
| Date | 08:28:21, January 06, 2010 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | "So an organization promoting violence just in Lodamun is not subject to this law since it would not operate throughout the world?" That would be a question for the Supreme Court should this amendment pass. "The idea that an organization could be declared a terrorist one simply for "promoting instability" is insane. Any opposition to the ruling majority could be labeled as such." Your skepticism is too much even for the biggest skeptics. |
| Date | 08:37:04, January 06, 2010 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | There is no sitting Supreme Court and I wonder why we must depend on a court that does not exist to clarify this poorly written document. I also don't know why we need a constitutional amendment to deal with an issue like this which should clearly be done by statute. I'm skeptical because the Liberals have written vague amendments in the past that they've interpreted in whatever waythey choose without regard to actual language of the amendment or understanding of Lodamese law. I continue my skepticism because the Liberals offer no proof that current law is deficient and unable to cope with a "problem" that does not exist. |
| Date | 09:21:47, January 06, 2010 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | Current Supreme Court members: Mr. Jerrard Arlen- Chief Justice (LP) Mr. Damon Kendal- Associate Justice (PRP) Ms. Louise Newman- Associate Justice (URP) There is a perfectly functioning Supreme Court. |
| Date | 12:16:42, January 06, 2010 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | Where did you come up with this list? The URP has never been asked to submit a nominee to the court. |
| Date | 17:35:38, January 06, 2010 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=272219 |
| Date | 17:41:57, January 06, 2010 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | Oh, well thanks for creating a character you expect me to RP - classy. |
| Date | 18:12:52, January 06, 2010 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | It's just a name. Go complain somewhere else. |
| Date | 04:22:22, January 07, 2010 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Declaration of a Terrorist Orgazation Amendment |
| Message | Oh, your amendment failed. Maybe you should go complain to the supreme court about it |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 133 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 67 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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