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Bill: DSPB.0245.2886 Adulthood and Retirement
Details
Submitted by[?]: BDSP un Beys fun Yisserles-Binyomen
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2887
Description[?]:
| The adulthood test is to be established by the Ministry of Education and Culture. Those 40+ while the retirement age was 59 shall still enjoy a retirement at the age of 59, while all those after them shall retire at 60 years of age. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The way adulthood is determined.
Old value:: Adulthood is determined by age.
Current: Adulthood is determined by age.
Proposed: Adulthood is determined by a test.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The professional retirement age.
Old value:: 59
Current: 64
Proposed: 60
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:45:24, January 30, 2010 CET | From | Bismarckian National Resistance (BNR) | To | Debating the DSPB.0245.2886 Adulthood and Retirement |
| Message | No objections. |
| Date | 17:49:51, January 30, 2010 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the DSPB.0245.2886 Adulthood and Retirement |
| Message | Testing adulthood is simply not desirable. If someone commits a crime, should we be more leniant because they have failed a test and are therefore, technically, not an adult. Similarly, denying or granting people benefits based on whether they have passed a test amounts to discrimination on intellectual grounds. Retirement age has just been raised only months ago, and we do not support a further rise. |
| Date | 22:14:16, January 30, 2010 CET | From | BDSP un Beys fun Yisserles-Binyomen | To | Debating the DSPB.0245.2886 Adulthood and Retirement |
| Message | Age would also play a role in the judging of criminal acts. Should those unwilling to study be granted privileges? Those with learning disabilities could take a simpler test and if anyone wants they could be administered a test which would grant them partial adulthood. The Grand Duke of Fruskila, Holiest of Blood, likes even numbers. |
| Date | 17:29:22, January 31, 2010 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the DSPB.0245.2886 Adulthood and Retirement |
| Message | Benefits should have no link to passing a test; to suggest that otherwise is a good idea is delusional. Thsi 'Grand Duke's' penchant for even numbers is asking other, ordinary citizens to work an extra year, only a year after they have been told they will have to work a further two years. It is no wonder Republican principles spread as fast as the wind. |
| Date | 18:35:25, February 02, 2010 CET | From | BDSP un Beys fun Yisserles-Binyomen | To | Debating the DSPB.0245.2886 Adulthood and Retirement |
| Message | We shall agree to disagree. Why don't we adjust the age to 58? That would be even and one less year of work. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 219 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 281 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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