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Bill: Dismantle the State

Details

Submitted by[?]: National People's Gang

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 2135

Description[?]:

Interfering, no-good, dodgy do-gooders are dogging the lives of the people with a never-ending burden of bureaucratic legislation which can't keep up with their aspirations and constantly runs the risk of undemocratic demagogues grabbing power to feed their greed for cash.

The people demand the dismantling of the State which rides roughshod over the Five Nations

They want to see the end of careerist fat-cats slobbering their lies around the corridors of power

They want self-government based on need, not on greed

They want to see the ivory tower of State control torn down

They claim back the voices which have been stolen from them by slick-talking con-artists


(The capital choice is now limited to a drop-down menu, open text needs to be reinstated, thus Article 2a)

Article 2a -

Meetings of the Assembly:
Yintao, Zaphograd, Ficklesbourg, Wombat, Yorrick, Kaleces, Jorka, Orean, Port Andalay, Charlesbourg, Douglasville, Loda, Daro, Aesonni, Kolos, Diorama, Wednesday, November City, and anywhere else the delegates see fit.



Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date23:43:44, November 01, 2005 CET
FromInternational Society of Bankers
ToDebating the Dismantle the State
Messageum, I support some of these... but not them all. I would like the state eliminated also, but, wait, dont you support state control over business? But I thought you dont want the state to exist...

Date01:58:24, November 02, 2005 CET
FromCNT/AFL
ToDebating the Dismantle the State
MessageThis really is the only gripe we have:
The Head of State is also Head of Government.

Date02:43:35, November 02, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Dismantle the State
MessageYeah, we can't vote for that one either. The rest are mostly fine. But is "pithy" really what we want? Or would "quippy" be better?

Date03:04:42, November 02, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Dismantle the State
MessageLets see, this bill proposes to pay extra MPs to do nothing, and to double the current cost of elections. Meanwhile you want to severely increase the cost of the assembly, by forcing us to multiply our current capital infrastructure by NINETEEN. At some times the cities of Lodamun are to be filled with MPs, staff, and will require all kinds of services, but those services will also be no longer needed at the drop of a hat.

AND you want to conveniently forget the fact that the head of state is NOT just another ordinary citizen. I refer the Libertarian Militia to the former debates on this topic, in the days of the Adam Smith Party.

Date13:38:04, November 02, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Dismantle the State
MessageIn this structure all the Head of State does is chair the cabinet committee. All parties are still able to propose a cabinet and the Head of Government post has been severely restricted financially. By allowing an additional vote for the HoG, through the mechanic for electing a HoS, even though it's flawed, it gives the electorate more control than allowing the chair of the Cabinet to be decided by the parties.

As for additional costs, these are actually marginal, the infrastructure of regulation - where it exists - does not increase at all, therefore the bureaucracy does not need to increase. By using telecommunications, much parliamentary business, including debating and voting can be performed without the need for members to be present physically.

Date13:41:01, November 02, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Dismantle the State
Message"pithy" has been removed from the anthem and the motto.

Date17:30:02, November 02, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Dismantle the State
MessageASP arguments on infrastructure were completely unconvincing. Rotating the capital does not need to cost anything, espeically if the Assembly is made up of part-time legislators meeting when required: it will cost them the same to travel to meet in a high school auditorium as it does for them to travel to meet in a fancy building in Port Andalay. Include a big pay cut for Assembly members to make up for the extra cost of there being twice as many, and apart from the head of state chairing cabinet (which removes this prerogative from the Assmebly and potentially gives us a more powerful HoS since power tends to corrupt), and you will have our support.

The honourable member from Ficklesbourg North Centre will resist the temptation to add a rider increasing hog-belly prices in his district, but only because we have security guards physically restraining him.

Date17:31:21, November 02, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Dismantle the State
MessageOops, and i see it's already gone to a vote. Well, yes for now and hopefully it can be re-introduced later. LM, why not ask for the changes you would like, here is a chance to really reduce Big Government at a time when the Remnants are building Bigger Government.

Date17:45:57, November 02, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Dismantle the State
MessageIn this structure, we don't actually see the HoS gaining additional authority through becoming the HoG. With a short period between elections, a large number of representatives and a cabinet proposed by any party we view the HoG as adopting a similar role to the current HoS, with the exception of chairing Cabinet meetings. The portfolios of ministers are far more powerful. Furthermore, although the two-round system is flawed, it would allow the people to have some say in who sits in the chair.

Date01:38:04, November 03, 2005 CET
FromLodamun Centre-Left Coalition
ToDebating the Dismantle the State
Messagestill against "Citizen" as Hos title, and always will be.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
   

Total Seats: 82

no
    

Total Seats: 188

abstain
 

Total Seats: 30


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