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Bill: Democracy Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hutorian Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2898
Description[?]:
| If all other parties in Hutori are democratic like the HNP then the people deserve to elect their head of state. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:26:27, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, it is precisely because we support democracy that our support for the monarchy is retained. Madam Speaker, the monarchy is a protector of democracy and ensures that it is allowed to prosper for evermore. An elected head of state would open up the possibility of a fascist dictator, something which the monarchy provides a block to. |
| Date | 21:27:01, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Besides, Madam Speaker, the attempts of the HNP to masquerade as a democratic party is laughable. |
| Date | 21:28:58, February 21, 2010 CET | From | House Lusk-Nat'l Syndicalist Party (UM) | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, even as far as republican bills go, this one is poorly thought-out. What would be the title of the head of state? What the duties? |
| Date | 21:30:42, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, the CLP's claim the HNP is undemocratic has no basis for the argument. The HNP is possibly the most democratic party in Hutoria because we do not want to live in an autocratic society. It is up to the people to decide who they want to represent them and the CLP wants to deprive the people of Hutori their right to vote! |
| Date | 21:34:35, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, The NSP's views have clearly been corrupted by that of the CLP. Instead of wanting to give people the right to vote on their head-of-state, the NSP are more pre-occupied with what the Head-Of-States title would be! This attitude shows why they are a small party and the HNP is the largest! |
| Date | 21:59:19, February 21, 2010 CET | From | House Lusk-Nat'l Syndicalist Party (UM) | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, the honorable gentleman is clearly retarded if he believes that the NSP is in favor of giving the people the right to vote on everything. |
| Date | 22:03:04, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, first of all, the HNP's attempt to argue that the CLP has swayed the views of the NSP is laughable! Madam Speaker, perhaps they need providing with some standard school history textbooks! [laughter from the backbenches] Madam Speaker, the CLP is not depriving the people of Hutori their right to vote. Indeed, we have sought to spread the vote further and wider than just about any other party. Madam Speaker, there must be limits however, and the head of state is one of those limits. I repeat to the gentleman, it protects democracy and ensures that it remains true democracy. Were the fascists to be elected to the position of head of state, our democracy would quickly unravel. Our monarchy protects and prevents that from happening. As for the claims of the HNP not to be autocratic or tyrannical, let us just for one moment, Madam Speaker, examine their voting record. They oppose women in the army, they favour a union of the army and the police, they desire the death penalty, they deny parents the choice in key issues such as vaccination, they seek to control all aspects of the economy, and they wish to deprive people of basic civil liberties. Madam Speaker, if the HNP claim to be such democrats, perhaps they could explain to the House why they oppose a monarchy but support a state religion? Madam Speaker, the manifesto of the HNP does not stand up to even the slightest of scrutinies, and this is something that the people shall soon discover. |
| Date | 22:09:12, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, it needs to be said again that the HNP is the largest political party in Hutori. If the people dissaproved of our policies then we would not have been elected. It says more of what the people think of the CLP's policies because they actually lost seats to us did they not? The only reason the HNP's opinions change rarely is because we take a pragmatic approach Madam Speaker, our approach is well thought out unlike other parties and we do what is right for the people not the corporate businesses that the CLP represent! |
| Date | 22:16:09, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, the HNP constantly evades questioning. Why do they support a state religion? Why do they claim not to be authoritarian whilst simultaneously voting in favour of extremely authoritarian measures? And why have they flip-flopped on the issue of the monarchy? Madam Speaker, the HNP do not have a a well thought out approach at all. They call it pragmatism - we call it opportunism. They seek to frighten and divide this country and will support whatever measures necessary to gain power. Madam Speaker, with democracy must come responsibility, and a democratic party that fails to protect the minorities is not worthy of the name. |
| Date | 22:20:50, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, the CLP accuse the HNP of evading questioning. This is because the CLP is too busy trying to interrogate the HNP instead of focusing on the isssues that matter to the people. The HNP is concentrating all its efforts on sorting out the issues which the people actually care about, instead of trying to score political points over the opposition! |
| Date | 22:32:45, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, surely the people have a right to see the parties that they have elected held to account? The HNP boast about being the largest party elected by the people yet they despise the slightest of questionings. Madam Speaker, surely their support of democracy is not just skin deep? [laughter] Madam Speaker, all we innocently try to do is attempt to establish why the HNP publicly declared support for His Most Royal and Seren Majesty and now propose to abolish that same institution? Madam Speaker, it's a pretty straightforward question! |
| Date | 22:40:15, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, the HNP will answer the question for the CLP. The HNP has always been a party opposed to the Monarchy. It was in our agreement with the NSP that in return for their support in a coalition, (which they then backed out of) we would abandon our plans to replace the Monarchy and publically support it. The HNP being a party of its word obliged and after we were deserted by the NSP we simply took up our old position again. I hope that answers the CLP's question |
| Date | 22:43:44, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, if the NSP discloses confidential party to party messages than so will the HNP. Perhaps this will clear up our views on the monarchy for the CLP. Below is the message sent to us by the NSP : Message Details Date 19:23:54, February 21, 2010 CET From House Lusk-National Syndicalist Party To Hutori National Party Message Hutori National Party: We of the HNP are a reasonable party, would you agree to entering into government with us if we abandoned our plans to remove the hereditary head-of-state system? Yes, we would support a government with you if you agree to keep the monarchy. Please publicise this fact. |
| Date | 22:44:19, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | And there we have it, Madam Speaker, the HNP are prepared to abandon one of their deeply-held beliefs simply to take hold of the levers of power. Madam Speaker, the people shall not look kindly upon that act! It seems to us that the NSP had a lucky escape, choosing the path of liberty and accountability over the path of fascism and flip-flopping. |
| Date | 22:50:37, February 21, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, was it the CLP who said they had not introduced ay of their real policies in years? So i think that the CLP has abandoned their beliefs as well. The HNP did not abandon its belief, we were simply prepared to wait until we had more seats to implement our Monarchy policy! |
| Date | 09:50:15, February 22, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Democracy Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, first of all, I did not say we haven't introduced any real policies - I said many of our policies are not currently implemented due to opposition from this House. Madam Speaker, furthermore, I do not know where the HNP got the idea from that the NSP have published private correspondence - it has not happened! The HNP publicly declared their support for the monarchy. The NSP have not revealed anything, unless we are missing it. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 112 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 214 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 65 |
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