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Bill: End of Corruption
Details
Submitted by[?]: Front for a Solidarian Country
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2045
Description[?]:
| Seeing the recent and worrying corruption scandals that have happened in our Parliament, we demand: (1) That an anti-corruption commission, under the administration of the judicial power, is created, to investigate irregular or dishonest activities in Beluzian politics. (2) Actions of the commission will be peridodically reviewed by the parliament, to promote reciprocal control of state powers. (3) If this is not the case already, corruption, bribery and dishonest political practices shall be considered a form of treason, under punishment between two and fifteen years of prision, according to the severity of the crime itself. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:20:26, April 30, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the End of Corruption |
| Message | Bribery is unfortunately common. We see this bill as posing as much a problem as that which it intends to solve. This broad "commission" can be corrupted easily into an internal secret police which can call treason - treason! - merely by providing hints that a political opponent is found "corrupt." Extreme irony notwithstanding, we see the expansion of the term treason to include any "irregular" activities in "Beluzian politics," a definition which is so vague as to easily apply to the entire nation. Furthermore, it dilutes the charge of treason to apply it so liberally and give small prison sentences for it. Treason is a most serious offense committed against the nation; bribery is not always the sign of treason but a symptom of errors within our system that incourage underhanded dealings and prohibit more efficient, legal processes. We can't have a multiplicity of treason trials for mere government corruption, which is unfortunately all too common in any nation, and certainly not for vaguely "dishonest activities" somewhere in the nation! We are quite against both treason and corruption, but this bill does not seem an effective solution and has the potential to exacerbate the problem. |
| Date | 18:33:48, April 30, 2005 CET | From | Front for a Solidarian Country | To | Debating the End of Corruption |
| Message | Since the bill establishes a periodical control of the activities of the commission by the parliament, it is difficult that the commision becomes corrupted and acts politically motivated, without the parliament and government knowing about it. Secondly, it is time to accept that corruption is, indeed, a mild form of treason. Thanks to many cases of corruption, money belonging to the State might 'dissapear', political lobbying might be executed or deals unfair to the populace may be negotiated. This could cause many terrible consequences for the populace, from an economic crisis that causes hunger and unemployment, to pension funds being blatantly stolen. The fact that corruption has become something common does not mean it should be allowed to remain existing. Corruption does not and cannot continue being something common, since it might create terrible consequences for our population. It is time to have corrupt politicians accountable for the harm they do to the nation. Lastly, in no part of the bill has treason being described as "irregular activities". If you read the bill again, you'll see treason is described as "corruption, bribery and dishonest political practices", not as "irregular activities". We quite frankly don't understand the reasons of your opposition to this bill, which has no fundament. |
| Date | 01:03:00, May 01, 2005 CET | From | Social Libertarian Party | To | Debating the End of Corruption |
| Message | Unfortunately, FSC, we cannot support this bill either. While we are not opposed to a set method for dealing with cases of corruption, the point made by the HNP is valid--in the hands of a government which itself has become corrupt, the commission that you suggest could be used to eliminate political opponents with the "dishonest political practices" clause. Further, to refer to bribery as treason -is- much too strong. Treason is a very specific offense that is committed by an individual, where he does something meant to give one state advantage over his own. Bribery is not at all treason, and to call it such will result in the diluting of the term, making it much less heinous. We hold that the punishment for treason should always be life imprisonment (if not death), and bribery does not quite fall under that scope. This being said, we want to reiterate that we are not against the forming of a permanent body in regard to bribery and corruption, but we want for the body to be completely independent of Parliament and to have absolutely no power except to issue reports and recommendations. We are also not against forming a corruption statute that criminalizes accepting bribes and the like, but it must be specific. As it stands, we cannot support this bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 104 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 117 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 36 |
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