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Bill: Corporations Act of 2904

Details

Submitted by[?]: Hutorian Conservative Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2905

Description[?]:

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Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date18:56:26, March 07, 2010 CET
From Hutorian Conservative Party
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, corporations make enough money under the current governments laws by exploitation of the normal Hutorian citizen. The least the government can do is to raise extra funds through Article 1. In addition we do not want companies in this nation run by foreign investors. The companies should be in the hand of the Hutorian people!

Date19:15:22, March 07, 2010 CET
From Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, thank goodness that the HNP are not in government, for their understanding of economics is nil. Madam Speaker, we have explained to the HNP time and time again that no matter what the percentage, the government cannot force corporations to pay this tax. They will simply pass the cost on to the consumer. Madam Speaker, this bill would dramatically increase the cost of living, and simply make our poor poorer.

Date19:23:22, March 07, 2010 CET
From Hutorian Conservative Party
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, we are not surprised by the response of the CLP. If the system could be regulated properly which it will not under this "UM" regime the costs would not be passed on. If the government would face up to the companies rather than be held hostage by them they could regulate prices and then people would not feel the tax but the company.

Madam Speaker, we have said this time and time again and it is blatently obvious what the CLP's motivation is for rejecting this Bill, which is to oversee the expoitation of the people by supporting the companies. Perhaps the CLP should run "CLP the Party of the Corporations" as their next election campaign!

Date20:51:26, March 07, 2010 CET
From Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, it is the intention of the CLP to have the people able to buy their products as cheaply as possible. Government regulation such as that suggested by the HNP would simply create an autocratic centralised bloc dictating pretty much what people can and cannot buy. Madam Speaker, price regulation is extremely damaging and would lead to people still paying too much, for prices properly depend on supply and demand. Madam Speaker, artificial prices do nobody any good. Government regulation simply legitimises artificially high prices. Furthermore, Madam Speaker, the amount of money that it would cost businesses to comply to such regulations would mean that businesses would be unable to afford so many staff, leading to job losses, or, if the government would make that illegal, then companies would go bust. Madam Speaker, of course, if companies go bust, then the HNP would have the government nationalise them. Then, Madam Speaker, ultimately ,all industry would come under the control of the state, making all employees workers of the state, making all citizens completely, totally and utterly dependent on and subservient to the government. And thus, Madam Speaker, the fascist revolution craved by the HNP would be complete. The CLP work to protect the freedoms and rights of the people. The HNP simply operate under this guise to be able to oppress the people and rule with iron fists.

Date20:58:37, March 07, 2010 CET
From Hutorian Conservative Party
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, the notion that the CLP aims to protect the freedoms and rights of the people makes me laugh. They and their promoting company actions have led to the hutorian people being continually expolited by bloodthirsty capitalists! The people are exploited as a labour source and then again by their government promoting corporations which exploit them again. In a HNP society the people would be free from these sharks who do not care about the people, they dont care they have families to feed or houses to maintain but these people are just interested in seeing how much of a profit margin they can create. That to me Madam Speaker is more oppression than having a fair society!

Date21:02:54, March 07, 2010 CET
From Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, which party was it that proposed to make the trade unions illegal, thereby directly attacking basic rights of the people? Madam Speaker, the people of Hutori know and understand what freedom means, even if the HNP pretend otherwise.

Date21:12:15, March 07, 2010 CET
From Hutorian Conservative Party
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, the only freedom the people currently need above any else is freedom from UM tyranny!

Date21:18:08, March 07, 2010 CET
From Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageBut Madam Speaker, we thought tyranny was what the HNP enjoyed? Surely torture, the persecution of sects, the introduction of a military state, making public assembly illegal and other such measures favoured by the HNP come under the umbrella of tyranny? Madam Speaker, the United Movement is about protecting the people from tyranny. Freedom is not tyranny, Madam Speaker, as well the HNP know, for it is freedom they dislike more than anything.

Date21:22:49, March 07, 2010 CET
From Hutorian Conservative Party
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, i think that all the HNP has proposed has almost certainly recieved the support of one of the parties within the UM, only the CLP has rejected all the above. Amazing that the CLP condone all these tyrannical beliefs whenever the parties supporting them will prop up their regime!

Date21:30:25, March 07, 2010 CET
From Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, support for any of the policies mentioned, for us, is wrong. But support for certain policies, Madam Speaker, is not the same as a systematic programme designed to limit rights and civil liberties such as that followed by the HNP.

Date21:39:20, March 07, 2010 CET
From Hutorian Conservative Party
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, the HNP does not limit peoples rights and liberites to an extreme extent like the FFF would have. Yes we believe in limiting but not to as much as the CLP would have the people believe. Here is the so called scare-mongering politics the CLP claim to not take part in. Perhaps now the CLP will come down from their moral-high ground they claim to be on?

Date22:00:44, March 07, 2010 CET
From Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, support for torture, support for a military-style police force, persecution of cults, ending the right to public assembly, exterminating homosexuals from the military, stopping people from leaving this country and from viewing international media. Madam Speaker, this is not scare-mongering. This is reality.

Date22:21:28, March 07, 2010 CET
From Hutorian Conservative Party
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, we believe in strong government not bowing to the whims of corporations like the CLP!

Date09:43:52, March 08, 2010 CET
From Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
ToDebating the Corporations Act of 2904
MessageMadam Speaker, quite what the issues highlighted above have to do with corporations is uncertain. Madam Speaker, this accusation of corporatism is regularly banded about towards the CLP and it has always been complete rubbish. Madam Speaker, the CLP are the only party that opposes government having any role in bailing out failing industries and regulating the market, which many corporations actually petition for. Madam Speaker, we believe in total freedom - freedom of the economy and social freedom - as the truest and greatest sort of worker liberty. Madam Speaker, a free economy (the freedom to sell and buy as one wishes) is essential to a free society. As the HNP oppose either sort of freedom, we would not expect them to understand.

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Total Seats: 114

no
     

Total Seats: 277

abstain

    Total Seats: 0


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