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Bill: Nuclear Disarmament Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2907
Description[?]:
| This Act will bring about nuclear disarmament. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons if victory is not feasibile by other means.
Proposed: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Proposed: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:30:06, March 11, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, why dont the CLP just disband the army? That would appear what their ultimate aim is! They insist on bringing in these pacifist acts but all they do is make our nation weak and our army a joke. The Army should be allowed to use whatever means necessary to protect the nation. This is another attack on Patriotism by the CLP. |
| Date | 10:35:43, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, can I first of all welcome you to the chair. I trust that your leadership of this House over the next decade shall be fair, firm and forthright. Mr Speaker, claims that nuclear disarmament equate to disbanding the military are ludicrous. It is entirely possible to have a strong, competent military without relying on nuclear weaponry. Indeed, Mr Speaker, when will they ever be used? We spend billions and billions on keeping our nuclear missiles up to date, secure and ready for use, when each and every one of us knows that they will never be used. Mr Speaker, even if we were to use them, it would be as a retaliation. The chances of us being in a position to even retaliate following a nuclear attack would be non-existent! Indeed, we would be non-existent! Mr Speaker, we would rather that the budget for the military were spent on conventional everyday weaponry and equipment and ordinary kit for our soldiers. We would be able to invest in more advanced training programmes to ensure our armed forces are in the best position to fight. Mr Speaker, aeroplanes, ships, helicopters and tanks would all be able to be upgraded and increased with nuclear disarmament. Mr Speaker, these measures equate to patriotism, because we want the best for our front line soldiers, not a nuclear bomb that sits deep underground and shall never be used. |
| Date | 16:52:18, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, the CLP claim they want the best for front line troops! If we had nuclear weapons the front line soldiers would not need to be called out so they would be even safer. The CLP have stated here that there is a cost on our nations afety and they are not willing to pay it! That Mr Speaker, is disgusting. |
| Date | 18:17:08, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, of course there is a cost. If we did not consider cost to some extent then the nation would go bankrupt, and then where would we be? Where we would be is at the mercy of a foreign government which would have to bail us out. We would then be entirely subservient to them, but given the recent speech by the former FFF leader, perhaps this is not altogether a bad thing for the HNP? Mr Speaker, the HNP display their complete unsuitability for government by saying that "If we had nuclear weapons the front line soldiers would not need to be called out so they would be even safer." Mr Speaker, what a preposterous suggestion. At the first sign of trouble, Mr Speaker, do not expect the HNP to attempt diplomatic channels or, failing that, an ordinary military expedition. No, Mr Speaker, the HNP leader would simply press the red button and unleash destruction upon the world. Mr Speaker, were we to attack another nation with nuclear weapons, we could be damned sure that there would be another 4 or 5 nations ready to retaliate on their behalf, and that would be the end of Hutori. That is the price that the HNP would pay. Mr Speaker, getting rid of our nuclear weapons is a price worth paying for our nation's safety, and the HNP simply betray their naivety, recklessness and unsuitability for government. |
| Date | 18:22:53, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, the CLP are again just scaremongering with the claim that we would destroy the world. This Bill will be passed and the CLP will just have to deal with it! |
| Date | 18:27:40, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, we simply have to quote the gentleman again: "If we had nuclear weapons the front line soldiers would not need to be called out so they would be even safer." It is unequivocal, Mr Speaker. Yet again, the policies and words of the HNP speak for themselves. They cannot blame the CLP for simply repeating what they said. Mr Speaker, if the above attitude were to be followed, the beginnings of an international nuclear holocaust would be in motion. Mr Speaker, we doubt very much that this bill will pass, whatever the HNP may think, but we thank them for their support. |
| Date | 18:32:54, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, amazing what picking out points of an arguement and misconscuing them can do is it not. At least the rest of the United Movement which has voted so far and shown what they think of the CLP's policy if they will not speak out as well. |
| Date | 19:17:44, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, perhaps the HNP could explain how we misconstrued their statement. We quoted it word for word and neither sentence either side of it change the context of that statement. I would appreciate a response Mr Speaker, because it is quite clear that we have not misconstrued that statement. If they can show otherwise then we would be perfectly willing to issue an apology. |
| Date | 19:20:43, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, we are only sorry that the gentleman was born with such little brainpower. Clearly our statement is true that if we had nuclear arms the soldiers would be safer. No country is willing to enter into a war with a country that has nuclear arms, so obviously this will make our soldiers lives more secure. |
| Date | 19:26:27, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, given that this country has been at war in previous times whilst we possessed nuclear weapons, the statement given by the HNP is misleading. Countries are regularly at war, Mr Speaker, despite nuclear weapons. Mr Speaker, whilst we would not be so crass as to accuse somebody of having no brainpower, it is perfectly clear that the HNP is run by amateurs, with a naive and backward view of the world. |
| Date | 19:39:12, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Samuel Haskins MP, HNP Deputy Leader : Mr Speaker.... if this party is run by amateurs then who is running the CLP? I mean we are the largest party so... obviously the gentleman is talking nonsence. The HNP know this Bill's future has already been decided. We know the CLP are just arguing for arguments sake. Mr Speaker, we are fed up with the CLP's rubbish and the simple fact is we were elected with the people knowing our stance on nukes and the CLP want to deny the largest section of the peoples votes opinion. That is the basis of democracy which the HNP is commited to unlike the CLP still committed to an unelected monarch. |
| Date | 19:53:16, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, were we arguing for argument's sake, we would not be doing so with the HNP. Mr Speaker, the views and inconsistencies of the HNP must be exposed and their opposition to freedom must be mentioned at every opportunity. |
| Date | 20:00:09, March 12, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Disarmament Act |
| Message | Samuel Haskins MP, HNP Deputy Leader : Mr Speaker, it is myself and not the Party Leader Mervyn Bijai, who became fed up with the CLP, so has gone home from parliament. I believe that these representatives the CLP have on the frontbenches are nowhere near the standard of HNP MP's. The gentlemans last point, i have to thank Mr Speaker, for proving the HNP's point. I mean come on, we are a party that takes a pragmatic approach to situations unlike the stubborn CLP. The CLP are simply struggling to even come up with an argument, they are that inept. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 83 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 238 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 70 |
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