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Bill: Self-Defense Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Libertarian Party of Darnussia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2916
Description[?]:
| Requiring a check for mental illness or violent history in order for one to buy a gun is an unnecessary encroach on civil liberties. Lets say that a violent criminal has just been released from prison and wants to buy a gun to commit a crime. Do you think he is going to go to a place where he knows they do a background check? No, he is going to buy a gun illegaly off of the streets, which is NOT a very hard thing to do. So guess what? Whatever crime he is going to commit, he will commit, regardless if you require a background check or not. However, if his intentions are to not commit a crime, then why should he be stripped of his right to own guns? I'm not saying that gun dealers cannot require their customers to show some background information, but it shouldn't be required. And as far as the definition of "any type of weapon", we mean any type of gun or other arm that can be carried by a single man. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Individuals are allowed to own firearms as long as they do not have a history of dangerous mental illness or a violent criminality.
Current: Individuals are not permitted to own firearms under any circumstances.
Proposed: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:50:53, March 29, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Self-Defense Act |
| Message | The only restrictions we would require, would be for example, with rocket launchers, they can only be used in areas where there are no residential building anywhere nearby, the same with grenades. |
| Date | 21:52:16, March 29, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Self-Defense Act |
| Message | After some though, we are not even sure if we suppot article two. But we will see how the voting goes. |
| Date | 00:58:05, March 30, 2010 CET | From | The Liberal Intellectualism Front | To | Debating the Self-Defense Act |
| Message | Some logical fallacies here. 1. It assumes a crime that may occur as a result of previous violent history will be premeditated. This is often not the case. Most murders for example are not premeditated but occur on the moment/spot. A criminal can always get around the Law, but regardless, in the same way a child may be prevented from drinking alcohol - even though they can get their hands on it, society can ensure that potential amisses don't occur. A check on previous history will simply ensure that those who may be 'potentially' detrimental to society, don't get their hands on guns. The same argument applies to those who are mentally ill for obvious reasons. Article 2 just seems foolish. Making it legal to own grenades or any other 'carryable by one man' weapon has significant externalities. Protecting oneself with a pistol isn't going to affect the public. Imagine if someone used a grenade. |
| Date | 04:33:57, March 30, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Self-Defense Act |
| Message | We can agree with your argument on article 2. And I have taken into consideration your first argument, however we still disagree with it on some levels. While you may be correct in saying that most murders in general are not premeditated, I would say that a person who already has a past of violent criminality, is not likely to knowingly posess a gun, and then just happen to kill someone on the moment/spot. Murders commited by people who already have a history violent criminality are likely going to be premeditated. There may indeed exist a situation in which a person with a history of violent criminality does legally posess a gun, and then commit murder on the moment/spot without premeditation. However, we do not think that this is any more likely to happen with someone who has a violent past than with someone who doesn't. We therefore cannot see the legitimacy in requiring a background check, other than just to encroach on the civil liberties of citizens. |
| Date | 04:41:41, March 30, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Self-Defense Act |
| Message | Perhaps if the details of "Individuals are allowed to own firearms as long as they do not have a history of dangerous mental illness or a violent criminality" were more specific we could consider compromising on this. If the situation was simply showing an identification and then the gun dealer just runs the name through some kind of information system that checks for any notifications that have been to attatched to that persons name (i.e. people who have a history of violent criminality), we woudn't have as big a problem with it. But we would also not want these restrictions to stretch any further than disallowing people with a serious history of violent criminality. (and I'm not even sure if I would support any of this anyway, it was just a thought) |
| Date | 02:53:08, March 31, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Self-Defense Act |
| Message | We have removed article 2. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 82 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 115 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 13 |
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