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Bill: Societal Responsibility Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Jakanian Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2137
Description[?]:
| An Act to give responsibility back to ordinary people. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Current: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Proposed: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:51:08, November 04, 2005 CET | From |  Jakanian Liberal Socialists | To | Debating the Societal Responsibility Act |
| Message | We should probably implement a bill stating that all buzzwords utilised should be thoroughly explained and justified... |
| Date | 20:30:51, November 04, 2005 CET | From | Ogden Sinclair Party | To | Debating the Societal Responsibility Act |
| Message | Surely this should be titled, Minimum Income Bill, or Social Welfare Reform bill. Oh and NO, NO and NO |
| Date | 23:22:37, November 04, 2005 CET | From | Jakanian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Societal Responsibility Act |
| Message | or I can be creative and make up my own titles... |
| Date | 11:41:20, November 05, 2005 CET | From | Ogden Sinclair Party | To | Debating the Societal Responsibility Act |
| Message | Which are pure propaganda, fine. Its just annoying as hell when Tories and Rightist take over words like pro-life, like those who believe in that abortion should be legal are pro-death. I believe thatevangelism should be legal, i'm far from pro-evangelism though. |
| Date | 19:45:34, November 05, 2005 CET | From |  Islamic Nationalist Front | To | Debating the Societal Responsibility Act |
| Message | I agree with OSP, for once, in that certain wording is, obviously, propaganda. However, I don't see anything wrong with using them in bill titles or even official statements made by party officials. If you guys haven't noticed, rhetoric is quite common in real life politics. Besides, I think it's fun. The most "pro-life" organization is actually the Catholic Church, which opposes both abortions and the death penalty (: However, you have to understand, OSP, that from the viewpoint of abortion opponents, allowing abortions means killing children so, yes, they would say that allowing abortion is pro-death, pro-killing, pro-infanticide... AND, I think both LS and OSP (mostly LS though) are guilty of using propaganda, or at least subjective langauge, in their bill proposals: The Innocent Until Proven Guilty Bill: While I supported the bill, implying that refusing to pay for legal representation equals an assumption of guilt is misleading. Equality in Employment Bill: Some people would argue that positive discrimination is necessary for equality. Furthering Freedom of Thought: by not allowing recitation of the national anthem? Many people would argue that's a violation of free speech, but not free thought. Others would say its neither. Environment Sustainability Bill: Free-market environmentalists would argue that regulations do not promote environmental well-being due to regulator capture. Homeless Elimination Bill: Implies that provinding public housing ELIMINATES homelessness, while there are plenty of real life examples of how this is not the case. The Safety Net Bill: term is usually associated with welfare, not preventing creative destruction The Right To Strike: Implies there is such a thing ;] The Child Equality Bill The Fairer Retirement Bill 2130: The word "fair" is perhaps one of the most subjective terms in politics, as "Leftists" often use it to justify positive rights while "Rightists" use it in opposition to taxation So... stop bitching :D |
| Date | 00:39:10, November 06, 2005 CET | From | Ogden Sinclair Party | To | Debating the Societal Responsibility Act |
| Message | Only one of those was mine so I think i come all right from that. I guess in the context of the game propaganda can be fun, but it can easily remind us of the real-life politicians, parties and campaigns we despise. I realise many in the anti-abortion movement believe that pro-choicers are pro-death although a good few just use it as an insult and a smear. Even pro-abortion is unfare as I believe(to some extent) a women should have the right to choose not to go through with a pregnancy, but I dont think we should all go out and have abortions, this is an inacuracy which pisses me off, plus I'm Irish I love bitchin! Its a pass time |
| Date | 16:05:37, November 06, 2005 CET | From | Jakanian Liberal Socialists | To | Debating the Societal Responsibility Act |
| Message | (In bill names, i can understand it. That happens RL all the time, and is just part of the RP. But in bill descriptions? That's just silly. If this bill just read 'increases personal responsability', i'm sure we'd all go 'wow! why didn't i think of doing that?' My next bill will read "lowers the desire of people to do harm to each other". Betcha wish you'd thought of that one, huh? Utopia, here I come!) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 114 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 136 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: In cases where players have failed to clearly and accurately reference their nation's RP laws in the "Bills under debate" section, Moderation will rule them invalid if a challenge is made to their validity. |
| Random quote: "In politics, you have your word and your friends; go back on either and you're dead." - Morton C. Blackwell |