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Bill: National Anthem In Schools
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2137
Description[?]:
| Freedom of speech implies that pupils should not be forced to sing the national anthem. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are only made to sing the national anthem on special occasions.
Current: Children are made to sing the national anthem at the commencement of school each day.
Proposed: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:19:38, November 05, 2005 CET | From |  Herut Orthodoxy | To | Debating the National Anthem In Schools |
| Message | Freedom of speech, as strange as it sounds, is as the law determines. For example, the old idea of yelling fire in crowded theater, the idea of slander and libel, lying under oath, or giving investigators false information - possibly even withholding information, are all examples of limitations of this 'freedom'. That being said, freedom of speech should protect political speech. Speech that the government may have a direct reason to not want to have spoken or ideas conveyed should be at least partially protected. Since this does not limit nor restrict this type of speech, we do not see it as an infringement. Anyone have any idea what the punishment is for not singing as a child? Prison? Deportation? Death? I do pity them since it's a pretty long anthem - maybe only have them sing the first verse or so? |
| Date | 19:00:32, November 05, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy | To | Debating the National Anthem In Schools |
| Message | " Freedom of speech, as strange as it sounds, is as the law determines. For example, the old idea of yelling fire in crowded theater, the idea of slander and libel, lying under oath, or giving investigators false information - possibly even withholding information, are all examples of limitations of this 'freedom'. That being said, freedom of speech should protect political speech. Speech that the government may have a direct reason to not want to have spoken or ideas conveyed should be at least partially protected. Since this does not limit nor restrict this type of speech, we do not see it as an infringement." Sure. But we have determined within reason what can be done what is not appropiate. That has nothing to do with the law but with culture, our prevailing standards and values. We must learn pupils learn to think by themselves. So, if one doesn't want to sing the national anthem he/she should not be punished. Actually, what kind of punishment would be appropiate in the view of HO ? "I do pity them since it's a pretty long anthem - maybe only have them sing the first verse or so? " Do you know them all by heart ? Why didn't the HO voted in favour of my earlier proposal to limit the verses of the anthem ? |
| Date | 20:02:13, November 05, 2005 CET | From | Radical Conservative Party | To | Debating the National Anthem In Schools |
| Message | where's your patriotism? |
| Date | 22:39:34, November 05, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy | To | Debating the National Anthem In Schools |
| Message | RCP. There nothing wrong with our patriotism, although we think we define it differently. |
| Date | 02:34:48, November 06, 2005 CET | From | Herut Orthodoxy | To | Debating the National Anthem In Schools |
| Message | It's long, but by saying it is long is only an observation, not a criticism.. :) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 304 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 251 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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