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Bill: Honestly?
Details
Submitted by[?]: ƒortenohƒiv (ACN)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2923
Description[?]:
| We really need a police force. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the organization of police/law enforcement
Old value:: The government does not operate or fund any police.
Current: There is a national police department funded by the national government and there are local police departments, funded by local governments.
Proposed: There is a national police department, funded by the government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:01:19, April 13, 2010 CET | From |  King's Hope Party (ACN) | To | Debating the Honestly? |
| Message | Yeah we do....... Anarchy is not what it is cracked up to be.... All the way to the right=Anarchy All The way to the left= Communism (Or China XD). I am center right, yay! ~Hope~ |
| Date | 04:45:01, April 13, 2010 CET | From | Humanist Alliance | To | Debating the Honestly? |
| Message | Ironically, through History, anachists usally aligned themselves with the far left (e.g. "Anarcho-tradunionism", "Libertarian Communism") and attempted terrorist attacks against conservative politicians.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederaci%C3%B3n_Nacional_del_Trabajo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism That's why I prefer the four variable analysis rather than the traditional left-right divission. Thus, we can make four quarters: Authoritarsm ( - economic freedom, - social permissive). Extreme version: Totalitarism. (Ex: Stalin, Hitler, Ancien Regime) Conservatives (+ economic, - social) (Ex: Republican Party, European Popular Party [though closer to the center) Extreme: Corporate State. Social Democracy (- economic , + social) (Ex: Democrats [though closer to the center], European Socialist Party) Extreme: Socialism Libertarianism: (+ economic, + social) Laissez faire, laissez passer policies. Small parties defined as "liberals" (in EU) or "libetarians" (US). Extreme: Anarchism. I feel that this suits better our system. |
| Date | 05:18:42, April 13, 2010 CET | From | King's Hope Party (ACN) | To | Debating the Honestly? |
| Message | No... Anarchs are the total lack of government. Conservatives believe in limited government. Liberals like regulated things, and Communists thinks the government should control and own everything. ~Hope~ |
| Date | 06:40:52, April 13, 2010 CET | From | Humanist Alliance | To | Debating the Honestly? |
| Message | Well, what I put it's just one of the 'a posteriori' divisions that you can make. It wasn't made by e, but by an American author. In reality it's like a big continuum and some people may make up their own sincretist systems. Anyway, I prefer to base it in two or variables than in one (like you) I'll give you an example. What is a conservative? This man is a monarchist. Traditionalist, old-fashion European-style. And old-school monarchist. Very religious and traditionalist, of course. He thinks of himself as a conservative because he believes in old traditions. Does he support a limited goverment? 'No way!' he says 'Goverment represents the Nation and the Nation represents our traditions. The King and the Church must have limitless power. THis other man lives in a small American town inland. He's a self-made man who's struggled to keep his small bussines. The bussines goes well but he feels that he's being too taxed by the goverment. In fact he could have a more prosper bussines ifhe didn't have to pay taxes. Just like the other fellow, hes religious and when sits upon the bench of the church he thinks about his ancestors who fled from the Old World Religion Wars and concludes: "I like this country because you can have your own religion and you will be respected" I like to live my life undisturbed by the goverment. So, who's the conservative? The Conservative is always the one who wants to keep the statu quo, the stablisment, the oldest and inner values of a given society. So, being conservative is a broad concept. There are even Communist Conservators! In that sense the Forte Party is very conservative because he¡s trying to restore the monarchy. You are conservative for American standards but some politicians in Europe who are following the doctrine of the American neocons call themselves "Liberals". In this context it means that they want to be "Free" from the goverment action. Well, it's a bit complex, I now. |
| Date | 18:14:12, April 13, 2010 CET | From | League of Libertarians | To | Debating the Honestly? |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, This will return the Fascist Police! Outrage! I yield |
| Date | 22:56:55, April 13, 2010 CET | From | ƒortenohƒiv (ACN) | To | Debating the Honestly? |
| Message | Call it what you wish. I would do anything to prevent complete and total anarchy from destroying this esteemed nation. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 171 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 89 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 41 |
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