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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of December 2923
Details
Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Darnussia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2924
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet with a coalition prinicipaly between the Libertarians and the Populists. This is to give the Right minimum power. I have given the CPD some small ministries, but otherwise, it's primarily a DPM and LPD coalition. |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the Staatspräsident/President (President) chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Communist Party of Darnussia
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Communist Party of Darnussia
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Narik Nationalestik Parti
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Libertarian Party of Darnussia
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Libertarian Party of Darnussia
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Libertarian Party of Darnussia
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Narik Nationalestik Parti
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Narik Nationalestik Parti
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Libertarian Party of Darnussia
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Libertarian Party of Darnussia
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Narik Nationalestik Parti
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Communist Party of Darnussia
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:26:08, April 15, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | If just the Communists, Libertarians and Populaists vote yes, this will pass by ONE vote. Ive given the LPD the best ministries, and the Populists a lot too, as they had none. I gave myself some ministries because it is those ministries that are in desperate need of finanical reform. |
| Date | 21:30:27, April 15, 2010 CET | From | Buidheann Saorsa | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | We would hope that the LP would choose to not side with the communists. The current coalition government in place not only effectively represents the will of the people, but within it holds their best interests. This government is what is best for the people of Darnussia, not a commie populist leftist blend. |
| Date | 21:39:42, April 15, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | Once the education and science ministries have been reformed, the Communists would happily leave governement in favour of a complete Libertarian and Populist government. We feel that moderates are incompetent at educational and cultural economic reform. |
| Date | 21:52:15, April 15, 2010 CET | From | Rerum Novarum Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | We invite the members of the Communist Party to stuff it. It comes down to whether or not the Libertarian party is willing to give up his ideology for a marriage of convenience. |
| Date | 21:53:41, April 15, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | We ask the Rerum Novarum Party to remain civil during debates. |
| Date | 22:08:23, April 15, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | Why should he remain civil? We are leaning towards voting against this because instead of having Libertarianism implemented everywhere except education, science, and agriculture, we would want it implemented everywhere. And there are alot more positions where our views would be in line with right wing parties. And if these are the only places the right-wing parties are able to minister, we can have a truely free country. |
| Date | 22:08:59, April 15, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | We are still undecided though as of yet...... |
| Date | 22:16:00, April 15, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | We definitely don't like the right-wing parties implmenting all of their nanny state crap..................... |
| Date | 22:19:28, April 15, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | Again, the Communist's would be happy to give up their cabinet positions once we have reformed these areas. And the modern Communist Party is a surprisingly liberal one compared to the ones of previous years. We would not do anything without your consent, but we will not follow orders from you. We are hoping to see a compromise in your favour. A coalition with the right will give you a lot less power than this coalition with the left, and the left would be willing to work with you more. |
| Date | 00:33:06, April 16, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | The problem is, you want to ban private education. There is no way we can support this. If we were to create a cabinet with a rightwing party in charge of education, I can't think anything they would do that would oppose liberty. |
| Date | 00:37:45, April 16, 2010 CET | From | Rerum Novarum Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | Don't forget the lefty who would be in charge of finance. |
| Date | 01:59:34, April 16, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | The reason I am wanting those positions in the cabinet is because I want to increase funding in those areas, as it is needed badly, yet all the other parties seem to refuse to do this. I feel I am the only one capable of this. It is for the better of the people. And yes, ultimately, my party DOES want a complete ban on private education. But not at the moment. There is no way I would jepordise my relationship with the largest party by putting forward a coalition that I really hope he would accept, and at the same time trying to put through extreme legislation using my position that i offered to him I take that he is opposed to. |
| Date | 03:02:24, April 16, 2010 CET | From | Rerum Novarum Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | So it comes down to it. Are you willing to sacrifice private education in the long run for a shift in cabinet power? |
| Date | 14:11:54, April 16, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | In the short run. For this term MAXIMUM. we will not give up our goal of state education, we will just pospone it in order to get this cabinet going. We will NOT back down and remove my party from government, just to please the nutty right. |
| Date | 01:26:48, April 17, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | After some thought, we don't want a coalition with the communists or the right wing parties. You're all a bunch morons who want to force your views onto other people. Why can't you just lep people be free. Let a person decide what HE wants to do with HIS life. And allow him to own HIS property without having to have to stolen by morons who just want it say they can enforce more of THEIR views on him. |
| Date | 01:31:43, April 17, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | I'm not arguing whether your beliefs are right or not, I am arguing against the fact that you would want to force people to be governed under your beliefs. First of all, people cannot be "governed" into being moral, so why the hell would you want to try this? It will only turn people more against your beliefs, because you are being hypocritical. No one can truthfully say "I want you to follow of these moral laws, because they are right, and I am good and do follow them". No one is good, everyone does things they know are wrong. Many people pretend that they follow their "moral codes" perfectly, but they are liars. It is in human beings nature to do things that are wrong, and every human has done so. |
| Date | 17:02:29, April 17, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2923 |
| Message | You're the moron who thinks he can get a majority government... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 61 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 79 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 70 |
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