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Bill: An Act to Declare a Republic

Details

Submitted by[?]: Majatran Socialist Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 2138

Description[?]:

We feel the time is right to get rid of the monarchical system in Al'Badara and move towards a future of republicanism!

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date20:23:49, November 05, 2005 CET
FromMajatran Socialist Party
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
MessageShould this bill pass, we will begin discussions on the new name of the post. Until then, we feel it is not necessary to rename the HoS.

Date20:27:16, November 05, 2005 CET
FromAl'Badaran Alliance
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
MessageIn this corrupt and discriminative state, we have come to view the monarchy as the lesser of two evils. We would rather have Sultan Khali'Afar, than the fascist NUP, or openly racist Baathists, as our Head of State.

Date20:40:21, November 05, 2005 CET
FromMajatran Socialist Party
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
MessageYou are aware that the HoS will involve ELECTIONS? Hence, the party that can secure over 50% of the vote becomes HoS. You call the NUP fascist but you are scared to allow the people the chance to express their preferance for HoS.

Date21:12:18, November 05, 2005 CET
FromAl'Badaran Alliance
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
Messageyes, if it means electing a party that a) murders its citizens, or b) has only recently proposed highly discriminative laws against minorities. So for now we'll stick to the tried and tested methods.

Date21:22:05, November 05, 2005 CET
FromMajatran Socialist Party
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
MessageOhhh, so your saying that the great Al'Badaran people cannot be trusted to make the right decisions? Your argument is basically an argument against democracy. I suppose by your logic we should have no Majelis, we should trust Khali'Afar with decision making power.

Date21:23:06, November 05, 2005 CET
FromMajatran Socialist Party
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
MessageBear in mind also, the things you described happened while there was a Sultan. Therefore, how would keeping the Sultan make these less likely to happen?

Date21:57:14, November 05, 2005 CET
FromAl'Badaran Alliance
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
Message"Ohhh, so your saying that the great Al'Badaran people cannot be trusted to make the right decisions?"

Obviously not if they supported a party that has murdered its own people.

"Your argument is basically an argument against democracy. I suppose by your logic we should have no Majelis, we should trust Khali'Afar with decision making power."

No it isn't, we are a constitutional democracy, nothing would be changed. We see the Sultan as the lesser of two evils, we do not want the Sultan to have any powers, in the same way we don't want a President to have any powers.

"Bear in mind also, the things you described happened while there was a Sultan. Therefore, how would keeping the Sultan make these less likely to happen?"

Read what we said, we view the Sultan as the lesser of two evils. We could remove the Sultan, and end up with the NUP candidate as President, or with a Baathist as President. Whereas the Sultan has done not actively attacked his people, the NUP have and the Baathists have threatened to.

Date04:13:44, November 06, 2005 CET
FromMajatran Socialist Party
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
Message""Ohhh, so your saying that the great Al'Badaran people cannot be trusted to make the right decisions?"

Obviously not if they supported a party that has murdered its own people."

So, as we said, this is an argument stating that the Al'Badaran people do not deserve the chance to elect their own HoS. You have basically said that the Al'Badarans, the people you should represent, do not deserve to choose their leader.

""Your argument is basically an argument against democracy. I suppose by your logic we should have no Majelis, we should trust Khali'Afar with decision making power."

No it isn't, we are a constitutional democracy, nothing would be changed. We see the Sultan as the lesser of two evils, we do not want the Sultan to have any powers, in the same way we don't want a President to have any powers."

The President (not that that name is finalised) would have no extra powers, as we proposed the President would be seperate from the Executive. The President would have no powers the Sultan does not have, just that the President would have a mandate from the people, whereas the Sultan rules because his family did and it is a 'god-given right'.

""Bear in mind also, the things you described happened while there was a Sultan. Therefore, how would keeping the Sultan make these less likely to happen?"

Read what we said, we view the Sultan as the lesser of two evils. We could remove the Sultan, and end up with the NUP candidate as President, or with a Baathist as President. Whereas the Sultan has done not actively attacked his people, the NUP have and the Baathists have threatened to."

The point we were making is that the persecution of the minorities happened whilst the Sultan was HoS. The power of the HoS is, under both systems, irrelevant. Under either system the minorities would be persecuted, but under ours the HoS would represent the people instead of an antique, racist, classist view of society.

Date04:15:45, November 06, 2005 CET
FromMajatran Socialist Party
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
MessageThe point we are ultimately trying to make is one of democracy - surely if the majority of people in our nation support a particular party they should become head of state. This way the hoS will be representative of the population, not just aristocratic interests.

Date05:42:32, November 06, 2005 CET
FromUnion of Progressive Ulama
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
MessageThe UPU policy on the monarchy is well-known, so of course we oppose this bill.

If the Sultanate is replaced one day with an elected head of state, it would probably be necessary for the democratic parties to combine forces behind a single candidate to rpevent anything such as an NUP head of state. It was good that the people delivered a solid setback to the NUP in the last elections, so we trust in their good sense.

Ideally we would like to see a national referendum on the monarchy. We are sure the people in their wisdom would affirm their support for His Majesty.

Date15:18:50, November 06, 2005 CET
FromNacional Unionist Badaran Arbeits Partei
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
MessageThose who are enemies of the Monarchy are enemies of Al'Badara and they shall be struck down with the sword of Might

Date22:27:25, November 06, 2005 CET
FromNilhist Party
ToDebating the An Act to Declare a Republic
MessageWE like the sultan...

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
    

Total Seats: 272

no
   

Total Seats: 302

abstain
 

Total Seats: 176


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