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Bill: Hippocratic Oath
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rerum Novarum Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2928
Description[?]:
| Let's not violate it. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to euthanasia.
Old value:: Euthanasia is allowed with consent from the patient and the treating doctor.
Current: Euthanasia is illegal and considered murder.
Proposed: Euthanasia is illegal and considered murder.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:29:49, April 24, 2010 CET | From | Narik Nationalestik Parti | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | Ridiculous! |
| Date | 18:54:17, April 24, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | Violation of human rights. |
| Date | 01:59:06, April 25, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | Lets worry about the freedom of our citizens then about whether or not an "oath" is violated....... |
| Date | 01:59:28, April 25, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | Lets worry more* |
| Date | 02:00:54, April 25, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | Why the hell do you want to say to someone who wants to let themselves die, that they can't die? Infact, where the hell do you get the justification to say that to someone? Who the hell are you? God? I don't think so......... |
| Date | 02:03:22, April 25, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | When someone is a vegetable living off of machines that keep them alive, extending their life is not helping them, it is infact, I would say, wrong, because you trying to keep someone alive when it their time to go......you are trying to be God.......... |
| Date | 02:04:31, April 25, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | When cleary you are human and never will be God. And you will never be better than any other human by your own merit. |
| Date | 04:16:57, April 25, 2010 CET | From | Rerum Novarum Party | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | "When someone is a vegetable living off of machines that keep them alive, extending their life is not helping them, it is infact, I would say, wrong, because you trying to keep someone alive when it their time to go......you are trying to be God.........." You are also violating their freedom to live should you pull the plug. You should also not put words into my mouth; it'll keep you wise. We do not believe that it should be the doctors job to plug a patient with a lethal dose of medicine for the same reason that it is not the job of a construction worker to drive over someone with a steam roller. A person always maintains the right to refuse treatment. If they do not want a respirator, they don't need to wear it. If they do not want to take medicine with painful side effects, they do not need to take them. The person has the liberty to decide that. However, they, too, are not God, as such, should they have the ability to decide when they shall die. Or are men arbiters unto themselves? It would seem contrary to your argument to say so. |
| Date | 16:01:08, April 25, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | The CPD will fight this with all their power: watch the newscast report on the forum... |
| Date | 20:04:34, April 25, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | Yes, men are arbiters unto themselves. Why would this seem contrary to my argument? Men have free will, that doesn't make them God....... Letting someone die who cannot live without unnatural and excessive man-made treatment (i.e. when they are living like a vegetable), is a lot different than violating someones right to life. Someones right to life does not include a right to have OTHER people give you things that are just keeping you alive. Your right to life does not cause other people to HAVE to keep you alive. It just causes it to be illegal for them to CAUSE you to not be alive... |
| Date | 21:04:43, April 29, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | However, if someone asks for someone else to kill them, then why shoudn't this be allowed? If the person wants to die, that is their choice, its part of their right to life (right to life means a RIGHT TO THEIR LIFE; to do with that life whatever they may please) That doesn't mean anyone HAS to do it for the person if they don't want to, but if the person wants someone to kill them and they find someone who is willing to do so, why shoudn't they be allowed to do this? |
| Date | 21:04:45, April 29, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | However, if someone asks for someone else to kill them, then why shoudn't this be allowed? If the person wants to die, that is their choice, its part of their right to life (right to life means a RIGHT TO THEIR LIFE; to do with that life whatever they may please) That doesn't mean anyone HAS to do it for the person if they don't want to, but if the person wants someone to kill them and they find someone who is willing to do so, why shoudn't they be allowed to do this? |
| Date | 21:04:45, April 29, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | However, if someone asks for someone else to kill them, then why shoudn't this be allowed? If the person wants to die, that is their choice, its part of their right to life (right to life means a RIGHT TO THEIR LIFE; to do with that life whatever they may please) That doesn't mean anyone HAS to do it for the person if they don't want to, but if the person wants someone to kill them and they find someone who is willing to do so, why shoudn't they be allowed to do this? |
| Date | 21:05:40, April 29, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Hippocratic Oath |
| Message | However, if someone asks for someone else to kill them, then why shoudn't this be allowed? If the person wants to die, that is their choice, its part of their right to life (right to life means a RIGHT TO THEIR LIFE; to do with that life whatever they may please) That doesn't mean anyone HAS to do it for the person if they don't want to, but if the person wants someone to kill him and finds someone who is willing to do so, why shoudn't they be allowed to do this? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 112 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 98 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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| Random quote: "Popular suffrage is in itself no guarantee of freedom. People can vote themselves into slavery." - Frank Chodorov |