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Bill: Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136

Details

Submitted by^[?]: RSDP - Democratic Front

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2139

Description^[?]:

An Act to change the State's approach to religious organisations by recognising that religious organisations are non-profit organisations, and thus should not be taxed as companies, because they provide comfort, reflection (both confessional and philosophical) and spiritual guidance to large parts of the Rutanian population, and as many religious organisations are involved in charitable work and other valuable work for the community.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change Taxation of religious institutions.

Old value:: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.

Current: All religious income, despite the use, is taxed.

Proposed: Recognized religions are not taxed.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	17:02:51, November 06, 2005 CET
From	RSDP - Democratic Front
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	Taxing religious organisations means not recognising their valuable work and, in fact, means condemning religion in its entirety.

Date	17:04:32, November 06, 2005 CET
From	RSDP - Democratic Front
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	Also, only recognised religions should not be taxed as otherwise ANYONE could start a company, call it a religious organisation, occasionally donate a bit of money to a real religious organisation and get away with lots of untaxed profit.

Date	21:09:16, November 06, 2005 CET
From	Libertarian Alcoholic Party II
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	I'm surprised that the godless RSDP should be on the side of organized religion here. Unfortunately for you, the LAP is also godless, and will not support this bill.

Date	21:14:37, November 06, 2005 CET
From	RSDP - Democratic Front
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	We are not on the side of organised religion, but unlike you we are not against it. We recognises that, in varying degrees, religion and spirituality forms an important part of the life of many Rutanians. Religious organisations can do valuable work, and mostly don't do it for profit, therefore they should not be taxed as companies..

Date	00:13:36, November 07, 2005 CET
From	Freedom Party
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	Religions are not recognised in Rutania, we dont interfere in the freedom of religion, hence all religions would still be taxed under this proposal. Against.

Date	17:14:28, November 07, 2005 CET
From	RSDP - Democratic Front
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	You should really look up the definition of "recognised religions", it doesn't necessarily mean that the government picks some religions. ;-)

Date	17:15:32, November 07, 2005 CET
From	RSDP - Democratic Front
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	So you think that organisations which form a valuable part of our Rutanian culture and are involved in charitable work should be taxed just because they are religiously-inspired? Sounds to me like you're trying to abolish religion.

Date	21:32:57, November 07, 2005 CET
From	Liberal Imperialist Party
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	Do you think someone should be allowed to run a business and call it a religious institution to avoid tax? I dont. The old legislation already says that only profit is taxed, so if an organisation is not-for-profit then it wont be taxed. The old legislation already says that charitable donations are not taxed. I really dont see your problem with this.

Date	21:55:12, November 07, 2005 CET
From	Freedom Party
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	Exactly

Date	18:00:39, November 08, 2005 CET
From	RSDP - Democratic Front
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	Would you care to F'ing read legislation before proposing it? It LITERALLY states "Religions are treated as companies", thereby excluding all possibilities of a religious organisation being non-profit.

Date	18:35:52, November 08, 2005 CET
From	Libertarian Alcoholic Party II
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	Yeah, but if they're a company that makes no profit, they won't have their profits taxed. The current law actually makes sure churches and charities are being efficient at giving their stuff away.

Date	16:45:26, November 09, 2005 CET
From	RSDP - Democratic Front
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	That is bullshit, they still have a lot of costs you know. What you're suggesting is that all religions should continuously lose money.

Date	13:56:34, November 11, 2005 CET
From	Freedom Party
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	RSDP. You are talking bullshit, you refuse to acknowledge that your arguments have been quashed and that if a religion makes no profit, it wont be taxed.

Date	14:47:06, November 11, 2005 CET
From	RSDP - Democratic Front
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	Are you deaf? They have to choice but to make profit because the law currently treats them as a company!

Date	18:32:56, November 11, 2005 CET
From	Liberal Imperialist Party
To	Debating the Religious Organisations (Reform) Act 2136
Message	"That is bullshit, they still have a lot of costs you know. What you're suggesting is that all religions should continuously lose money." Gross income =/= profit. Take a course in basic economics / maths.

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Voting

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Seats

yes

RSDP - Democratic Front (94)

Total Seats: 94

Total Seats: 505

abstain

Evil non-Internationalist Communist Part (0)

Total Seats: 0

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