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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of December 2938

Details

Submitted by[?]: Conservative Party of Solentia

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 2940

Description[?]:

Proposing a Cabinet

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date03:26:04, May 16, 2010 CET
From Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
Message"The CPS have produced several cabinet shapes that they may wish to engage in. Part of the New Deal that the Conservatives want to create is that we activly participate in good governance with our partners in the Senate. Does the CSP have a prefered proposal and why are these offers coming about now? I am sure there are many CUP members who would be cautious about accepting offers of cabinet posts in the midst of press-talk of coalitions and an election fast-approaching. Are these deals to be trusted as genuine parts of a governance strategy or are they simply attempts to woo our members into prefering alliance with the CSP?"

- Heikki Hämäläinen, Chairman of the Conservative and Unionist Party

Date06:24:50, May 16, 2010 CET
From Conservative Party of Solentia
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
MessageMr. Hämäläinen,

The CUP can rest assured that these proposed cabinets are not political attempts to lure your party toward our lines, simply 'test' cabinets, if you will, a way of looking at all options as far as cabinet composition is concerned so as to provide Solentia with the best form of governance available in any circumstance.

Supreme President James Harding

Date15:57:37, May 16, 2010 CET
From Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
Message"Naturally, you can understand why our members will forgive me for refusing this particular arrangement. It is not in CUP custum to support Health Secretaries from parties who slash Health Spending despite Universal Healthcare being the law, nor Defence Secretaries who triple their own spending, nor finance secretaries who take sums away from public services and into breaking our long-held policy of isolationism and international-neutrality. These are not small matters and these are not things that the CUP can support. A CSP-hold over these major Offices would lead to this county's ruin if their latest budget is anything to go by. No debate on fiscal reform, they get hurried through the backdoor of the Senate and within a month, our Healthcare service is destroyed. The people of Solentia deserve better Mr. Harding. So much better.

The CUP has a proud record of lowering taxation, cutting spending on waste and defecit left behind from previous administrations and tripling spending on Healthcare and Education whilst simultaneously lowering the budget. That is a track record we intend to continue."

-James Clarke, CUP Leader.


Date17:37:22, May 16, 2010 CET
From Conservative Party of Solentia
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
MessageWaste, Mr. Clarke?

Our country was an international laughing stock, waiting for the inevitable moment when any lunatic dictator with a gun should invade to find our borders under-defended and our military fatally under-equipped. My party did what was necessary, and I applaud the UPS for supporting, in order to secure the safety and security of every Solentian. What use is government supplied healthcare when our hospitals have been bombed by the Deltarians? What use are social services when our people are made the slaves of the inferior races who are not so naïve as we, to ignore the power of a military. You can call it waste, Mr. Clarke, but I call it necessary.

CPS Chairwoman Andrea Bryant

Date17:48:13, May 16, 2010 CET
From Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
Message"What concerns me, Ms. Bryant, is that the state of the defence funding had been deemed adequate for basic defensive purposes under multiple administrations, on both wings of politics and yet your party saw fit to privatise that service and then increase the budget to a non-existant force. Our Armed Forces were equiped and prepared for basic border defence and civil control in the rare event of an uprising, and that was viewed as fine by everyone. However to triple the spending on a force that has now been privatised, is waste. There is no way around that fact. Unless you are paying private Military organisations without public consent or knowledge, then there really is no reason why that money cannot be spent on frontline public services such as our public healthcare service.

This country has been neutral and independent, fiercly so, for the last 500 years. Our neighbours enjoy cordial relations with us and have respected our neutrality. The only instance I can think of where that is not the case was the push for a Greater Majatran Superstate by force, which was created by and only engaged in by members of the far-right, including, if I am not mistaken, a one Mr. Harding? I'm no genealogist but that seems a somewhat striking fact does it not?

Waste, Ms. Bryant, is spending money on a private force and cutting spending to state-funded public services. Are we to understand that the CSP plans a war? Because let me tell you, that is far from the minds of the man on the street. We are a peaceful people and we would rather like to stay that way thank you very much."

James Clarke, Leader of the Conservative & Unionist Party

Date18:02:38, May 16, 2010 CET
From Conservative Party of Solentia
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
MessageMr. Clarke, it may suit you to recall the 28th Century Naval Organization Act of 2701, which the CUP supported. It established Solentia's navy as one which Solentians could look upon with pride and know that they were secure from all threats foreign to their way of life. Since the passage of that bill, the CUP has supported nothing but assault after assault on the nation's military capabilities. If previous administrations have deemed 11.5b SOL adequate to fund such a force, then previous administrations have treacherously deceived the Solentian people. The budget has nothing to do with the freeing of the Solentian market, only with the guaranteeing of the Solentian nation. Supreme President Harding, a descendant of the great Supreme President Roger Harding, is the champion of Solentian power and security, and you and anyone who would support communist welfare systems over national security are not fit to lead this nation!

CPS Chairwoman Andrea Bryant

Date18:11:33, May 16, 2010 CET
From Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
Message"That certainly is something isn't it? A CSP Chairman, telling me how to lead a nation whilst her own Supreme President rakes in the taxes of decent hardworking Solentian and spends it on private enterprise. This Party, let me tell you, is the best friend of the business world. We have been funded and supported and pushed forward by countless corporations, even having been a corporation at one point. And you call us Communist? Let me tell you, only in CUP budgtes have taxes been slashed, only in CUP budgets has the Trade department, Health department and education department been protected from cuts, only in CUP budgets has waste been halved. Under Sir Thomas Hill, taxes were cut by half, spending was reigned-in by half and businesses were freer than ever-before. Our economic record does us proud, and Solentia remembers Ms. Bryant. Oh yes, they remember now. Just as they will remember in 20-30 years time when they look back on how the CSP destroyed their healthcare and damaged our international reputation as Terra's most Neutral nation. We, madam, are a bastion of a peaceful state and Terra looks to us as an example! I say, let's keep it that way."

James Clarke, Leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party.

Date18:19:19, May 16, 2010 CET
From Conservative Party of Solentia
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
MessageThe CPS has raised no taxes, Mr. Clarke. The CPS is merely redirecting Solentian funds to a more essential and historically underfunded area. We will debate no further on this matter: If the CUP had not abandoned Solentian voters, they would have had seats with which to voice their opinion on the matter. Until Solentian voters say otherwise, we have the mandate, and we set the agenda. No longer is Solentia a socialist welfare state. No longer is Solentia the laughing stock of Terra. We are participating in a global economy, Mr. Clarke, and the CUP would tie bricks to our feet rather than to see us swim.

CPS Chairwoman Andrea Bryant

Date18:31:01, May 16, 2010 CET
From Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
Message"That certainly is something isn't it? A CSP Chairman, telling me how to lead a nation whilst her own Supreme President rakes in the taxes of decent hardworking Solentian and spends it on private enterprise. This Party, let me tell you, is the best friend of the business world. We have been funded and supported and pushed forward by countless corporations, even having been a corporation at one point. And you call us Communist? Let me tell you, only in CUP budgtes have taxes been slashed, only in CUP budgets has the Trade department, Health department and education department been protected from cuts, only in CUP budgets has waste been halved. Under Sir Thomas Hill, taxes were cut by half, spending was reigned-in by half and businesses were freer than ever-before. Our economic record does us proud, and Solentia remembers Ms. Bryant. Oh yes, they remember now. Just as they will remember in 20-30 years time when they look back on how the CSP destroyed their healthcare and damaged our international reputation as Terra's most Neutral nation. We, madam, are a bastion of a peaceful state and Terra looks to us as an example! I say, let's keep it that way."

James Clarke, Leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party.

Date18:31:37, May 16, 2010 CET
From Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
Messageooc: Not sure why it posted that again.

Date13:35:13, May 17, 2010 CET
From Conservative Party of Solentia
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
MessageOOC: Sent to vote for the purpose of archiving, but voting no because I don't want it to pass :P

Date00:59:50, May 18, 2010 CET
From Utilitarian Party of Solentia
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
MessageOOC: Amazing! Parties in Solentia can eventually agree!

Date02:23:06, May 18, 2010 CET
From Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of December 2938
MessageOOC: We can agree on avoiding disaster at least.

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