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Bill: On the financing of the kindergartens
Details
Submitted by[?]: Utilitarian Party of Solentia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2947
Description[?]:
| The Solentian State considers it children its greatest asset. We therefore propose a new system to cope with deficient schooling infrastructure as well as to reinvigorate and ease needed private investment. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Pre-school education.
Old value:: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nursery and pre-school educational centres.
Current: The government leaves development of nurseries to the private sector.
Proposed: Pre-school education is private, but the government covers the schoolcosts of poor families.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:58:50, May 28, 2010 CET | From |  Utilitarian Party of Solentia | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | We here present our views on the subject and we expect remarks on the bill; if no opposition exists, we will take to bill to vote after 10 months. |
| Date | 04:59:58, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | Supported. |
| Date | 09:33:53, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Social Renewal Party | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | The Left Radical Party unambiguously opposes this proposal. Although we are an extra-parliamentary party, we will do all within our limited power to ensure the defeat of this bill. We believe all Solentian children are entitled to a state supported education irrespective of their class or family's means. |
| Date | 13:48:34, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | "The CMP shall oppose this Act, we do not believe that those with higher incomes should necessarily be paying for the childcare of those with lower incomes when a system is already in place to look-after all of our pre-school aged children." James Clarke, CMP Leader. |
| Date | 14:48:43, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Solentia | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | ooc: a little clarificatory question. the proposal is speaking about school-costs that are going to be covered for poor families. is this referring to nursery and pre-school costs or to either one of them or even the subsequent primary school education? |
| Date | 19:46:42, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Utilitarian Party of Solentia | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | OOC: Just pre-school and nurseries. ______________________ IC: The Utilitarian Party of Solentia believes in a free-market. A big-brother State opposes reformation and endangers the citizens; giving private enterprise the chance to invest in pre-schooling, we ensure the system is open to innovation and removes a burden from the State. However, we are aware that many politicians oppose the complete removal of the welfare-State and we thus find this bill as a good compromise. Regarding the comments of the CMP, it is i our understanding that this system will be of good use for people with higher incomes. They will finally have the chance to invest in new sectors as well as to be a positive influence in the society. |
| Date | 22:50:47, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Solentia | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | We will support deregularization where it is just. However, completely deregularizing as essential aspects as education should be handled with care. The SDP firmly believes that all Solentian citizens have a right to a certain standard of education. - Thus we can't support the proposal in this form. If privatization in this sector is to be enacted, we have to implement appropriate safeguards to make sure standards in childcare and education are met. -George Tarson, SDP |
| Date | 00:51:11, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | "The UPS can paint this over as a money-making scheme all they like, if that's the electorate their playing to. The CMP however remain dedicated to Mr. and Mrs. Mid-level manager with their 3-bedroom semi-detatched and their 2.4 children. We do not believe that these mid-income families, who are not looking for profiteering, should, because of their income, be paying for the childcare of those on low-incomes. That is especially ridiculous when there is already a system in place which guarentees childcare to ALL." James Clarke, CMP Leader. |
| Date | 02:56:56, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | Mr. Clarke, your argument does not make sense. Under the current system, Mr. and Mrs. Mid-level manager are paying for ALL Solentians. Under the proposed law, there would be LESS burden on the taxpayer, because those families which are capable of providing their own education will be removed from the government teat and only those who truly need will be helped. CPS Chairwoman Andrea Bryant |
| Date | 03:04:11, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Utilitarian Party of Solentia | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | Paying all their income? Middle-class families pay around 14% income tax and 0% sales tax; could the leader of the CMP please explain how come using this families will be loosing all their money? Currently all tax-payers pay for maintaining our public pre-schooling facilities which being administrated by our government, not the most efficient organism, waste many of its resources on red tape and government expenses. Low income families pay less than 5% of income tax and they represent under 4% of the State's income. So actually, they are already receiving subsided pre-schooling services. High income families pay over 25% and account for half the budget. With what they pay, the State pays half of its population pre-schooling services. If we allow this families to remain with their income by privatizing childcare, less than 4% of Solentias population would need this subvention, so high income families accounting for half of the budget would only pay for 2% of the population instead of half. 2% against 50%... quite a change! OOC: The games system concerning numbers is not working at all. It is impossible to know how many people in Solentia pay in each of the tax brackets; even the sums in the budget are wrong. |
| Date | 03:18:44, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | "Under the current system, Mr. and Mrs. Mid-income are having their childcare paid for them, as do all Solentians. Yes this is a tex burden but they recieve something back. Under the proposed model, Mr. and Mrs. Mid-income would indeed be paying less, but they'd still be paying for someone else's childcare and be expected to pay for their own on-top. They'd be forking out and getting nothing in return. That frankly, isn't right." James Clarke, CMP Leader. |
| Date | 03:19:58, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | ooc: The budget was absolutey fine when I designed it not 2 months ago, until it was changed. The numbers and taxes ALL worked out perfectly with increased spending on health and education each budget and lower overall spending and lower taxes. Thats how much waste we had and I managed to bring the whole thing tumbling down. It was working. |
| Date | 03:31:05, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Utilitarian Party of Solentia | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | OOC: not what I meant... I mean, the income of the State doesn't add. And also, I have no way to know how many people just pay the 1% tax. |
| Date | 03:35:57, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | OOC: We don't know how many but we know the total gained from that tax bracket and the tax % itself. What do you mean the state income doesn't add? |
| Date | 05:12:31, June 01, 2010 CET | From | Utilitarian Party of Solentia | To | Debating the On the financing of the kindergartens |
| Message | We now send this bill to vote. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 50 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 50 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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