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Bill: Treaty Withdrawal
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2949
Description[?]:
| This Act will withdraw Hutori from the "Restoration" treaty. |
Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the Restoration.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:54:16, June 03, 2010 CET | From |  Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Hon Emily Bridges MP, CLP Leader: Madam Speaker, whilst I was absent from this place, members of this House, in their wisdom, passed a treaty that claimed the following: "All Hail to Zog! All hail to Victory!!!" Madam Speaker,whilst Zog maybe needs hailing, we are pretty sure that he has nothing to do with Hutori, and certainly not the Hutorian monarchy. We must withdraw from this treaty which is just an absurdity on the statute book. |
| Date | 21:00:47, June 03, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Rt Hon Baron Mancini MP, NSC Frontbencher, Madam Speaker, shall i inform the CLP Leader, that even if she was present her party would not have stopped this Treaty. My goodness, the CLP say they are behind the monarchy. Perhaps they meant going behind their backs! They claim to be Monarchist, yet they weaken the position of the Monarchy by withdrawing from this Treaty. Will the CLP make their minds up? |
| Date | 21:29:25, June 03, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Madam Speaker, the NSC should not dare accuse the CLP of not being monarchists. Of all the things they have ever claimed in this House, that would be the most ridiculous. Madam Speaker, perhaps I can remind the gentleman that the Labour Party was actually opposed to joining this treaty; they only did so to get the NSC's support to change the flag. It is not therefore impossible that this bill will pass, if the Labour Party remain true to what they believe. Madam Speaker, as I have explained to the NSC before, joining a treaty such as this does nothing to protect the monarchy; one simply needs to study the mathematics. It only requires 50% of this House to withdraw from a treaty. It requires 66% to amend the constitution - that is protection enough. Madam Speaker, if 2/3 of this House wish to form a republic, this treaty will do absolutely nothing to stop them, for if they have the necessary votes to form a republic then they have the necessary votes to withdraw from the treaty! Madam Speaker, the constitution provides a greater check on the monarchy than does the treaty, and it is for that reason that we believe we should withdraw out of what is an extremely bad, and irrelevant, treaty. Let me just remind the NSC of some basic facts. It was the CLP, over 100 years ago, that restored the House of Hutori. It was the CLP that proposed a compromise to allow a plural Head of State that prevented the formation of a complete republic. It was the CLP that then returned the House of Hutori to sole occupation of the Head of State. If we want to go back even further, the Right is Right Party, the direct ancestor of the CLP, ended a one-party state and made the House of Hutori the royal family. That is how far back our support of the monarchy goes. Madam Speaker, there is only one party in this House that has consistenly supported the monarchy, and the NSC would do well to remember that. |
| Date | 11:25:32, June 04, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Madam Speaker, I interpret from the NSC's silence that they are acknowledging that, despite their rhetoric, it is they that attempt to score cheap party political points rather than properly discussing the issues and the policies. Madam Speaker, time and time again they accuse the CLP of point-scoring and yet if anybody were to go back through and read transcripts of all the debates we have had in this House they would realise that the CLP is probably the party that most attempts to have a proper debate over issues and policies, and they normally get shouted down by the characters opposite. |
| Date | 11:33:48, June 04, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Rt Hon Baron Mancini MP, NSC Frontbencher, Madam Speaker, we normally do get shouted down, only because others are incapable of debating and would rather try to enforce a NSC slip-up through a play on words of some description. The CLP do not get the luxury of having an NSC response! We are the opposition and are under no obligation to provide answers - you however are in the government and are expected to provide answers when you run the country! When we were in office we answered any question, perhaps the CLP should stop their whinging and do the same. |
| Date | 11:53:24, June 04, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Madam Speaker, this is not something I say lightly, given the fact it is unparliamentary, but the gentleman is lying. There is no other word for it - he is telling straightforward lies. Successive representatives from the NSC refused to answer questions when they were in government. Whenever the CLP tried to raise questions we were told that we were "irrelevant" and that the NSC did not have to answer any questions that we raised; they specifically said they would ignore us and would only answer the questions that they wanted. Madam Speaker, the NSC now claim that the CLP does not answer questions - perhaps he could provide an example of where a question has been raised and we have not answered. If such exists, we would happily rectify it and apologise. Madam Speaker, the gentleman should stop telling lies, start acting with some intelligence, and treat other parties with some respect. It is becoming extremely tiresome and boring having to listen to him accuse others of what only he is guilty of. |
| Date | 11:58:17, June 04, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Rt Hon Baron Mancini MP, NSC Frontbencher, Madam Speaker, the gentleman only finds it boring because he is stuck in the past! The CLP need to come to terms with modern ways where you can debate the issue and throw punches at each other at the same time. Perhaps the CLP should stop their complaining because we are sick of their constant moaning and crying over every little thing. Perhaps its their Leader? - who openly admits she is not a very good leader! The CLP need to realise that just because they have been here for what? - too long, that the political system does not revolve around them and their continual needs to be pleased in Parliament! |
| Date | 13:57:36, June 04, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Madam Speaker, the gentleman is using the exact same argument that we have used - that issue debate and political debate inevitably come together. So why does the gentleman refuse to follow what he says? He never debates issues and then argues that others don't. He always "whinges" about political point-scoring and claims that he gets tripped up by slipping on his words, and then accuses others of whinging. The gentleman needs a good long look in the mirror. If he likes, we would be more than happy to quote his above statement back to him when he next acts hypocritically. |
| Date | 14:04:07, June 04, 2010 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Madam Speaker, we agree absolutely with the CLP. The gentleman of the opposition does not understand the art of debate, nor does he really reprisent those that have voted for him. Nothing he ever comes up with has any substance, and is simply muttering accusations and hyprocritical judgements on his peers. The gentleman never logically defends nor promotes his policy, most of which is purely idealogical and not relative to the circumstances and the progression of the people of this nation. He is extremely repetitive and snake-like in his insults. This is a political house of debate of issues, not a libel court! When will he start debating with substance? |
| Date | 14:34:19, June 04, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Madam Speaker, coming from the party who ally themselves - not with the party most similar to them but the party who oppose their socialist doctrine. |
| Date | 14:44:18, June 04, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Madam Speaker, what does that have to do with what the Right Honourable gentleman just said? He was talking about debate, not coalition or compromise! Why does the gentleman not respond to the issues raised instead of just attacking, attacking, attacking? His statement does not even follow on from what the Labour Party just said. It is this sort of behaviour that exasperates his parliamentary colleagues and the people of this country. |
| Date | 15:07:21, June 04, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Rt Hon Baron Mancini MP, NSC Frontbencher, Madam Speaker, the Labour member raised no issues! He simply attacked the NSC. Perhaps if the CLP opened their eyes from their bias towards their Cabinet colleagues, they wouldnt be such hypocrites. Will the CLP condemn Labours non-substance arguement there? I vey much doubt it. |
| Date | 22:48:22, June 04, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Treaty Withdrawal |
| Message | Madam Speaker, the honourable gentleman raised the following issues: 1. The NSC do not "understand the art of debate" 2. The NSC make accusations and hypocritical judgements on parliamentary colleagues 3. The gentleman never logically defends nor promotes his policy, most of which is purely idealogical and not relative to the circumstances and the progression of the people of this nation. 4. He is extremely repetitive and snake-like in his insults. 5. He then asked, "When will he start debating with substance?" Madam Speaker, the NSC then responded by talking about who the Labour Party is in coalition with. To which one of the five points was this a response? Madam Speaker, in fact, it proved every one of the five points raised by the gentleman from the Labour Party. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 241 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 150 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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