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Bill: Astor Ministry
Details
Submitted by[?]: Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2950
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the President chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the 
Conservative Party of Solentia
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Conservative Party of Solentia
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Radical Nationalists
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Conservative Party of Solentia
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Conservative Party of Solentia
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Radical Nationalists
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:30:53, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Utilitarian Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | It is a betrayal to the spirit of Solentia to propose this cabinet. The Supreme President lacks support and his cabinet is nothing but an empty assignment. The tenure of Mr. Uwe Johannes as foreign affairs minister is remarkable, opening Solentia to a new era. On which grounds will the Senate support a weak-tempered candidate for the position? A candidate afraid to confront the outer world. Which are his proposals and credentials? Mr. Johannes deserves at least some amount of respect from Supreme President Astor. Not doing so is outrageous! |
| Date | 19:35:57, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "I fail to see how exactly the Suprme President lacks the support. This coalition would have a majority, the Supreme President has his mandate...perhaps you would like a 100% majority in order to form a Government? Mr. Johannes has our full respect. However Mr. Johannes does not share the same foreign-policy vision as the Supreme President and keeping him in the position would be a disgrace to the electorate who chose the Supreme President on his policies. Mr. Johannes' party did not win the Supreme Presidency, the Tories did. Thus, the nation is calling for a cabinet with Tory values. We have proposed a cabinet that reflects areas of agreement and the Supreme Presidents own beliefs. To ignore the mandate given, that is the outrage." Supreme President Martin Astor. |
| Date | 19:57:48, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "What then, are the foreign policy goals of the Tories, Supreme President Astor?" CPS Chairwoman Andrea Bryant |
| Date | 20:05:26, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "The absolute defence of Solentia against any threatening bodies, persons or institutions. The Careful management of the Defence Sector to ensure it is both adquate yet efficient. To ensure that we keep international trade and encourage investment in key industries. And of course, to ensure good relations with our Majatran neighbours. The Tories want to see a more unified Majatra, not necessarily an institutionalised one, but a strong front." Supreme President Martin Astor. |
| Date | 20:07:09, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "With all due respect, Supreme President, how has Minister Johannes strayed from these same values that you uphold?" CPS Chairwoman Andrea Bryant |
| Date | 20:11:05, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "We believe that Mr. Johannes is a convinced Internationalist. Whilst we can appreciate a certain level of cooperation, friendly-relations and discussion, we feel that some of Mr. Johannes' policies are, extreme. Balance and equilibrium, we feel, is the best thing for Solentia. We are a naturally cautious nation Ms. Bryant. These things take time, they cannot be rushed. We feel that a Tory candidate would be more appropriate. I assure you, Mr. al-Rachid is a top-notch candidate." Supreme President Martin Astor. |
| Date | 20:14:32, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Utilitarian Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | How come is Mr. Johannes not sharing President Astor's foreign-policy? The CMP promised to be a "moderate international" on its campaign, and it is clear that Mr. Johannes tenure has also followed that line of though, all while allowing parties not represented in the government to give their views on a particular subject. Is the CMP's campaign a proof that they are not a party worthy of their word? On the other hand, health and social services, and education and culture being lead by a member of the CMP is against the spirit of the recent reforms on those particular fields. CMP's foreign policy goals have no agenda; the party ignores even Solentia's legislation and they want to make us believe that they have the experience needed to manage our diplomatic bodies? You must be kidding! |
| Date | 20:17:56, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "Two comments, Supreme President: I and my party disagree with you on the fact that Solentia is naturally cautious. Mr. Johannes has done an excellent job of integrating Solentia into the Terran community after 600 years of isolation, and we believe that his expertise needn't be ousted from the cabinet simply because the UPS doesn't walk the Tory party line. We also feel the same about Senate Warden Jacobsen, who has been the stalwart ally of 4 Conservative Supreme Presidencies. I also wonder if Mr. al-Rachid's appointment is timely, considering his heritage. I do not mean to be racist, but with the ethnic tension rising in Selucia and Al'Badara, is it really the time to be making the face of Solentia one which is so recognizably anti-Selucian?" CPS Chairwoman Andrea Bryant |
| Date | 20:19:16, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "I think the fact that the leaders of those reforms were not elected to Office, and I was, with a mandate to have a mixed healthcare industry speaks miles. I warn the UPS that accusing the CMP of breaking the law is a serious matter. Slander is a very serious offence. The CMP is a party of moderate internationalism. We have not supported Mr. Johannes' exremist policies. Allowing any embassy to come on our soil for instance...threatens national security. We need to keep these things balanced." Supreme President Martin Astor. |
| Date | 20:24:05, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "To answer your first question Ms. Bryant, Mr. Johannes and Mr. Jacobsen may have been in office for a long periods of time, however the public have given mandate for Tory-based executive policy for this term. We feel that though the recent move toward internationalism has been important, that is has come too fast. I assure you, the Tories will not be abandoning internationalism, simply working with a different approach. With regards to Mr. al-Rachid, his family are of Al-Badaran decent however for hundreds of years have lived in Solentia. He is a relation to former Supreme President Nabil Al-Aahil, a noted economist. He and his Solentian wife are not new-generation immigrants however are very neatly intergrated into Solentian society." Supreme President Martin Astor. |
| Date | 20:26:26, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Utilitarian Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | With all due respect, if you do expect countries to flow to Solentia in order to start communicating with us, we are afraid your are the wrong country. After 600 years of isolation steps needed to be taken to prevent our neighbors form ignoring us. Regarding slander, we have not accused the CMP of breaking laws, just their campaign promises; however, if the average voter wants to know how the CMP has already broken the law, we might just see bill MC 04-2747 1: Peerage and Titles [http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=249452] on which the CMP deliberately broke the law by voting on the subject despite knowing (or required to know) that at the time it the bill was illegal. |
| Date | 20:33:37, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "Supreme President Astor, despite the fact that you keep stressing that a Tory minister will take a 'different approach' to foreign affairs, I still fail to see how Mr. al-Rachid's ministry will be any different from Mr. Johannes. Previous administrations did not internationalize fast ENOUGH in the opinion of my party. This is no fault to Mr. Johannes, just disruptive tactics utilized by an isolationist Senate, of which the CMP was a part. The people of Solentia have been deceived into improper placement of their trust before, Supreme President Astor... What good is a nation that is powerful domestically if it does nothing to help those nations beyond her borders who require her help? Whether or not Mr. al-Rachid is well integrated and connected is not at question, Supreme President. What is at question is that during these times at which Majatra and Terra stand upon the brink of war, is it in our best interest or the interest of our neighbors to take a side so firmly with our foreign affairs minister?" CPS Chairwoman Andrea Bryant |
| Date | 20:39:39, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "Well Ms. Bryant, the Tories have indeed attemped to slow down the internationalisation process because on issues such as embassies, we felt that national security were at risk. On other matters, such as foreign investment in national industries, our party has been firmly international. It is our hope that Solentia shall be strong both at home and abroad though not at the risk of security. The CMP would better address the balance. It should also be noted, that although you may not approve of CMP policies, we obviously cannot have a party in our cabinet that has openly attempted to end the Senate session and call a vote of no confidence in the Supreme President. It's hardly a workable relationship. I'm not entirely sure I understand your last question Ms. Bryant. I fail to see why Mr. al-Rachid, a Solentian and Majatran, would side with anyone other than Solentia and Majatra?" Supreme President Martin Astor. |
| Date | 20:45:03, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "It is not a question of who your candidate will side with Supreme President Astor, it is merely a question of who it will APPEAR that Solentia will side with. Can we afford to have an Arab minister of foreign affairs? What message will that send to Selucia, who are struggling with terrorism perpetrated by Arab extremists? Appearances are delicate diplomacy." Senator Grant Randall |
| Date | 20:47:12, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | I believe that it will send the message that Solentia is a land of diversity. There are people living here from all over the world and the role of or cabinet, which is also diserve, is to govern. I do not forsee the issue to be a problematic one as Solentia is unlikely to need to "side" with anyone, only concemn that which is wrong." Supreme President Martin Astor. |
| Date | 20:54:01, June 06, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | "Nevertheless, Supreme President Astor, the CPS does not agree that allowing foreign embassies from all nations is a threat to national security, quite the contrary, in fact. We cannot afford a foreign affairs ministry so xenophobic as a CMP ministry is likely to be. 600 years of isolationism are all to simple to fall back into. Your second comment before, about the UPS not being workable with your administration, is simply your own failing, Supreme President. Senate Warden Jacobson and Minister Johannes worked admirably with Supreme President Harding and Supreme President Brown; they have proven themselves above the petty rivalries of the Senate. We see no need to remove them. The CPS shall not support this cabinet." CPS Chairwoman Andrea Bryant |
| Date | 17:45:48, June 07, 2010 CET | From | Radical Nationalists | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | After Tory Party's support of the Olvan budget, we will no longer work with them. |
| Date | 20:57:10, June 07, 2010 CET | From | Utilitarian Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Astor Ministry |
| Message | So, are we once again seeing enough support for a vote of no confidence? CMP's administration has only cause bitter reactions and a lack of unity form Solentia's parties. It is not that we demand all parties work among the same line, but given the fact that they have not even earned the respect of the legislature, the CMP are severely damaging Solentia and encouraging its division in times which we fear war is a possibility. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 35 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 62 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 3 |
| Random fact: Don't vote yes on a cabinet coalition that doesn't give you the power that you deserve. |
| Random quote: "In America today, you can murder land for private profit. You can leave the corpse for all to see, and nobody calls the cops." - Paul Brooks |