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Bill: Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hutorian Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2952
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state appoints all heads and other ministers of all religions.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Current: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Proposed: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: No religions are taxed.
Current: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Proposed: All religious income, despite the use, is taxed.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Current: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Proposed: Wearing religious clothing or religious symbols in public is illegal.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Any religion may set up a school, with no regulations.
Current: Any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated.
Proposed: Religious schools are not allowed.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Proposed: Any form of religion is banned.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 21:02:58, June 10, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Madam Speaker, we ask the UFD will they support the proposed Bill? |
Date | 23:18:47, June 10, 2010 CET | From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | We will support this. The only religion that should be accepted is the Cult of Decay. And as long as there are not enough cultists to take this step, no other religions should be allowed. |
Date | 10:21:06, June 11, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Madam Speaker, we are seeing the NSC return to its former persona as the HNP. We thought that they had come to accept civil liberties? We thought that an acceptance of civil liberties was a key flank of their reforms? Madam Speaker, we know that their party has a long tradition of hating religion. However, this was not mentioned once in the recent election campaign. At no point was the electorate told that all religions would be oppressed. They may have voted otherwise had they known this. And, Madam Speaker, given their silence over the issue over the last Parliament, the NSC could not surely expect the people to know that they were voting for this. Madam Speaker, I truly cannot believe that the NSC want to see our police force dedicated to policing religion. Surely, they would prefer the police to be focussing on solving murders, rapes and burglaries than arresting people for walking down the street wearing turbans or crucifixes? Madam Speaker, are we going to see houses and homes searched by police for evidence of religious activity? What is the penalty for those practising religion? Madam Speaker, does this bill lead to a 'thought crime'? If somebody prays silently, surely they are breaking the law? Madam Speaker, only 21% of the population are actively atheist. Over 50% of the population define themselves as belonging to some religion (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=291963). Madam Speaker, how does the government expect to effectively oppress over half of Hutorians? I, Madam Speaker, am a Lutheran, the largest religious group in Hutori. Should this bill pass, do the government expect me to simply drop all of my beliefs? Shall I be arrested if I continue to call myself a Lutheran? Madam Speaker, I do hope that the NSC answer my questions for this really is a most important issue. I hope that I shall not be dismissed out of hand. |
Date | 13:13:28, June 11, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Rt Hon Baroness Marelle, Prime Minister, Madam Speaker, the NSC has always said it does not belive in religion. Our party are firmly atheist and we campaigned for the minimisation and removal of religion in our electoral campaigns. With 40% of the vote, that is a huge endorsement of our policies and we shall proceed to implement them. Madam Speaker, the NSC will not have the police 'policing religion'. The only aspects of religion the police will be enforcing will be religious gatherings in religous institutions and the wearing of religous items in public. The CLP try to create fear through a 'thought crime' and there cannot be any of the sort. They should know better than to try and scare the nation. Penaltys for religions will start out as fines and if persistant will result in prison sentences. Madam Speaker, we do not dismiss the CLP, as they are performing the role of the opposition. However the NSC has been elected to introdcuce Bills such as this and we shall continue to do so, while the people of this nation vote for us. |
Date | 13:23:03, June 11, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Madam Speaker, can we therefore seek clarification that private worship in the home will not be illegal? Could we also seek clarification as to whether I would be prevented from declaring in public that I believe in God and the salvation of the Lord Jesus Christ? I hope that the Prime Minister can answer those important questions. |
Date | 13:27:13, June 11, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Rt Hon Baroness Marelle, Prime Minister, Madam Speaker, we can confirm to the gentleman that private worship in the Home would be deemed acceptable at present. The state has no right to enter the Home of our citizens so what they do in their own homes is up to them. As for the CLP member declaring his beliefs in public, well.....the declaration of beliefs such as that could result in a financial fine but that would be up to the police to decide. Madam Speaker, the NSC want to remove religion from Hutori and finally this Bill will achieve it! |
Date | 13:33:57, June 11, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Madam Speaker, can we thank the Prime Minister for answering these questions in a straightforward way and with honesty. If only her predecessors had been so straight with Parliament we believe a lot of anger between our two parties could have been avoided. |
Date | 23:11:39, June 11, 2010 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | MADAME SPEAKER! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FILTHY! TRULY THEY BOTH ARE DECAYED! I WILL NOT APOLOGISE FOR THIS OUTBURST, BUT HOW CAN THESE DISGUISTING PARTIES OPRESS OUR PEOPLE LIKE THIS! WE WILL NOT STAND FOR IT, AND OUR PARTY WILL NEVER RECOGNISE THIS AS LAW! The REVEREND! John Buchanan. |
Date | 23:35:11, June 11, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Rt Hon Baron Mancini MP, Finance Minister, Madam Speaker, just to let the Labour Leader know. He will be deposed of being a reverend when the state appoints ministers of religion. Perhaps if they do not want to recognise the law, then they should have done better in the elections! [sound of backbench laughter]. The simple fact is that the NSC were elected by 40% to do this and the UFD by 18% as well. 58% of Hutorian people condoned this Bill, so Labour clearly dont believe in democracy if they dont accept the law! Madam Speaker, this is a great victory for the NSC and the passing of this Bill must be seen as one of the most revolutionary Bills to pass through this House and if Labour dont like it...well they know where the door is. |
Date | 00:28:18, June 12, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Oh and Madam Speaker, the NSC demands an apology from the Labour Leader for his unparliamentary and disgusting outburst. There is no place for that kind of speech in this Parliament. |
Date | 00:32:39, June 12, 2010 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Madam Speaker, we will not apologise. And Madam speaker, I am a Reverend under the eyes of God and this cannot be taken away! The Reverend John Buchanan, Head of the Christian Labour Party |
Date | 00:35:55, June 12, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Madam Speaker, truly shows what a laughable party Labour are. Their reverend Leader, elected with no support from his own MP's, leads his party to bottom of the seat count and now taking a career breaking stand on a trivial issue. Truly laughable, if i was a Labour MP i would definatley be seeking to remove the 'ridiculous reverand'. |
Date | 00:43:28, June 12, 2010 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Madam Speaker, The party backs the Reverend in total, all descisions in our party are taken collectivly, unlike the governments totalitarian opression of the people of hutori. Bahhiya Yusra, MP |
Date | 00:52:33, June 12, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Great Abolition of Religion Bill of 2951 |
Message | Rt Hon Baron Mancini MP, Finance Minister, Madam Speaker, totalitarian oppression? The Labour Party are completely misguided. All recent NSC Bills passed have all pretty much been passed with NSC/Labour votes. They have created the current system in current form, so this 'totalitarian oppression; is a nonsense. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||
yes | Total Seats: 226 | ||
no | Total Seats: 165 | ||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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