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Bill: Euthanasia bill 2954
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Forces of Decay
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2954
Description[?]:
(...) Getting rid of old and sick people would solve many problems: We could spare a lot of money, money, that we need to build new weapons and equip our soldiers. (...)
- Asag the plague wielder |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to euthanasia.
Old value:: Euthanasia is allowed with consent from the patient and the treating doctor.
Current: Euthanasia is allowed with consent from the patient and the treating doctor.
Proposed: Euthanasia is mandated for the old and sick
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:07:55, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Being sick and old is to be a crime, then? I can not take this proposal seriously, for it would mean the end of not only His Majesty, but also of the ruling political class of the nation.
- Martin Tipps
SPU President |
| Date | 07:59:15, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | "I don't know what kind of people are working for your party, but I can assure you that both the members of the Hutori National-Socialist Council and the mortal members of the UFD are not old and sick persons, and therefore won't be affected by this bill. You don't have to fear that the ruling political class will be affected by this."
- Asag |
| Date | 11:04:32, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, does the UFD realise that immortality is a precept of transcendence, which in it self is a non-contigent and deific concept? Does the UFD realise therfore that by suggesting they are among immortals, who are transcendent and imminent, they are professing religious belief? Do they therfore realise that they are breaking their own law?
Furthermore, Madam Speaker, the SPU is absolutely correct, this bill is extremely derogatory and insulting to the people of this nation. To suggest that an imaginary war is more important than the imminent peace? I think Asag-y balls over there is more deluded than I though... Mabye he should start wielding some inteligence for once. |
| Date | 11:26:44, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, could the UFD explain just what exactly they define as "old" and whether it will be based on an arbitrary figure or a condition of health?
Madam Speaker, as everybody in this House will know, our Party president is Duchess Thompson, who turned 101 earlier this month. Although she is much frailer than she once was, she still has an enormous contribution to make, and her mental ability is still very much there. She is the President of our Party and did not stand down from Parliament until the age of 98. Indeed, following the atrocities that saw many CLP leaders kidnapped, Duchess Thompson became Prime Minister at the age of 91 for almost a year. She served the country extremely well and the nation thanked her for it. Madam Speaker, are the UFD seriously suggesting that Duchess Thompson should be murdered?
What about Duke Carter who is in his 80s and remains a very active figure in CLP politics? Or Marchioness Chukulate, who is 76, and was a leading contender for our leadership? Madam Speaker, former Prime Ministers Baroness Peters and Duke Major both led the country at a senior age. Are they saying that these two figures should have been murdered, preventing them from leadership?
Madam Speaker, we only have 30 Members of Parliament in this chamber. Around 15 of them are over the age of 65. Madam Speaker, should the UFD be proposing that all of these MPs be murdered, they will have ignited one of the worst humanitarian incidents this country and this world has ever seen. |
| Date | 12:40:58, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Rt Hon Baroness Marelle, Prime Minister,
Madam Speaker, the NSC opposes this Bill currently. We do not want to kill off a large section of the Hutorian population we were elected to protect. |
| Date | 13:17:27, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, we welcome the NSC's decision. The provision of the word "currently" is worrying and we wonder if some trade-off could be in the line that would see the NSC 'reluctantly' agree to this bill in order to get one of theirs passed. |
| Date | 15:06:21, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | We respect the will of our coalition partner und won't let the Parliament vote for this bill for now. Maybe we can find a consens about this matter in the future. |
| Date | 15:08:47, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, im sure we will, the NSC may need UFD support in the future, so if we recieve UFD support for one of our future Bills we will pass this one in exchange. |
| Date | 15:10:17, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Be careful, dont go against the will of the immortal deities of decay... Baal might slaugher you, asag... Oh, its alright, you are wielding plagues...
These people need to get into games workshop and out of politics...
(Unidentifiable Labour Backbencher)
[Mass laughter]
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| Date | 15:10:31, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | To define "old and sick": Euthanasia should only be mandatary for people who are both old AND irrevocably sick. Instead of prolonging their lives using expensive medicine and technological procedures they should be dealt with properly. |
| Date | 15:12:31, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | So the warmonger deity changes his mind now in order to please his mortal nazi master. What kind of God are you? Stand up for yourself!
Rabbi Uzziel Yitzhak |
| Date | 15:12:37, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | So the warmonger deity changes his mind now in order to please his mortal nazi master. What kind of God are you? Stand up for yourself!
Rabbi Uzziel Yitzhak |
| Date | 15:12:58, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, Labour see themselves as comedians but lets be honest. Thats why they are on the opposition benches while we are running the country! [sounds of backbench laughter]. |
| Date | 15:16:48, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Hon Cheryl Macintosh MP, CLP Leader:
Madam Speaker, the NSC can never accuse the CLP of scare-mongering again. Entirely as I suspected, the NSC are willing to sacrifice what they truly believe in order to get another bill passed. Madam Speaker, it is easy to tell which is the more senior party in this coalition. The United Movement would never have worked in such a way - if it had, it would have received no end of criticism from the NSC. Madam Speaker, this is the most cynical form of politics, where the NSC would sacrifice the elderly simply to get their own bills passed.
So, Madam Speaker, now we have definitive proof that the government does not care for the people of this nation, and definitive proof that they have deceived the people. Madam Speaker, NSC voters never voted for this proposal and there is no way that this can be reconciled with civil liberties.
Madam Speaker, a few years ago high-profile CLP members were illegally murdered by allies of the NSC (the FFF). Now more CLP members are going to be murdered, but this time it will be entirely legal and state-sponsored.
Let me say right now, Madam Speaker, that if any member of my Party is murdered, there shall be severe consequences. If any member of this House is murdered, there will be even more severe consequences. Madam Speaker, murder remains a capital crime. I therefore give the guarantee that, should the Conservative-Libertarian Party ever enter government under my leadership, one of my first acts would be to prosecute the leading members of this government for crimes against humanity, murder, and infringement of parliamentary privilege.
Let us therefore have a statement, Madam Speaker. Just what does the government define as old? |
| Date | 15:19:37, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam speaker, we are sincerely not comedians, but there is little else to do but laugh when everything is stripped from you by a government that is out to opress and harm its people. Any anyway, we are not comedians because we didnt need to say anything, the country is laughing at marelle anyway, and her little dog baal.
Also, what are the species of the UFD cabinet members? Do we consider you human??
Bobby Jepson, MP |
| Date | 15:21:46, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, the CLP member cannot put criminal charges against any member of this government if we do what she describes. It would be legal - so we cannot be charged. The CLP are twisting the NSC ego. We think we may in fact pass this Bill. |
| Date | 15:31:01, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, murder remains a crime, even if that murder is committed by the state.
The fact that the NSC are considering passing this bill simply out of spite and to 'get one over' on the CLP speaks volumes! What gravitas the NSC govern with!! |
| Date | 15:35:47, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | ooc: The idea behind the United Forces of Decay really is that they are old beings, gods, whatsoever, from ancient Hutorian times. The members of Parliament are human beings though.
If you don't like this idea you can see them as people, who seldom show themselves in public (and if they do so, only disguised) and create a lot of mystery about themselves. In this case, they seem to be immortal to their followers, but in reality the title of, for example "Baal the slaughterer" is being passed from one human to another, should the first one die. If you like this to be the official version, then there still are certain attributes the persons who wield the name must have. Baal for example should be either an experienced soldier or merc, Asag should be someone who has suffered long because of illness and so on.
The United Forces of Decay won't give a statement about this.
Still, it would be more fun if you all play along and don't start to nag about this whole concept ;-) |
| Date | 15:58:36, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | To define it once and for all: "Old" is someone who is not able to do his work anymore and therefore cannot contribute to society. If such a person gets irrevocably sick, euthanasia is mandatory. |
| Date | 15:59:58, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | That means that euthanasia is not mandatory for Thompson yet. Still, he can decide to get killed voluntarily, if that's his wish. |
| Date | 16:10:54, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, the noble Duchess, who is one of the greatest female leaders that this country has ever had, would not be too pleased about being mistaken for a man!
Madam Speaker, the definition still remains vague. What would the government define as an adequate level of contribution to society? When does a person stop contributing?
Madam Speaker, the issue of euthanasia should be left to the individual, their doctor and their family. The state has no right to mandate it. |
| Date | 17:46:06, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | It is left to the executive to define detailled standards (by edicts), as it is usual in a lot of other cases too. The decision has to made for each individual separatly, but given the circumstances - there's nearly no privacy left, the state has the right to monitor every citizen - we can assure you that this law will be executed properly. |
| Date | 18:05:11, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, the NSC proposes that the age for considered euthenasia would be the professional retirement age. It currently stands at 65. We also propose people are given a chance to prove their usefulness to the state. We suggest people go before a court and a judge and prove their worth. If the judge sees them as useful then they are exempt from euthenasia. |
| Date | 19:56:19, June 15, 2010 CET |
From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | So be it. What about this text:
"(1) Euthanasia is mandated for the old and sick.
(2a) The age for considered euthanasia shall be the professional retirement age.
(2b) If someone has reached this age and has fallen irrevocably ill, euthanasia is mandatory. In other cases, people can prove their usefulness to the state before a court. To do this they have to file an application after reaching the age of 63 and before reaching the age of 65.
(3) The Prime Minister has to right to exclude people from mandatory euthanasia. In this case, (2b) must not be applied." |
| Date | 10:10:36, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, this text subverts the tradition of innocence before guilt. Madam Speaker, individuals should not have to go to court to prove that they should not be murdered - the government should have to prove that they do need to be killed.
Madam Speaker, it is astonishing that the state believes once people have reached the professional retirement age they lose their usefulness. Madam Speaker, as I said before, half of my MPs are over the age of 65. Are the government really telling me that they will be murdered unless they go to court to prove otherwise?
Madam Speaker, can I suggest that members of the government think carefully about the way they do this. They are doing this on the premise that they can do absolutely anything because they have a majority, despite not having explained this policy to the electorate at the last election. Let me therefore make it perfectly clear that at the next election campaign, I shall make it a key part of the CLP manifesto that government ministers involved in this process will be prosecuted for murder. I shall also be recommending that the Labour Party and SPU make it a key part of their manifestoes. Should we get a majority, then I can assure the House that the leaders of the NSC and the UFD, as well as their agents, shall be tried for murder. There is no way of getting away from that, Madam Speaker. |
| Date | 12:39:26, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Rt Hon Duke McCullum MP, NSC Frontbencher,
Madam Speaker, i think that MPs would be exempt given the important job they do. They represent the people in this House and is one of the most critical jobs in Hutori. Besides Madam Speaker, how can NSC and UFD face criminal charges for something that is legal? |
| Date | 13:06:03, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, if we received a majority, then the people would have approved prosecution of the members opposite. That is how they will face criminal charges. Given that they have justified everything that they are doing out of some idea of a universal mandate, we are sure that the gentleman will understand how this works. |
| Date | 13:14:47, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Rt Hon Duke McCullum MP, Leader of the House,
Madam Speaker, the CLP are just bitter. The NSC know we havent got a universal mandate, we are required to serve until October 2957. The people have given the NSC/UFD to introduce whatever Bills we want because that is the nature of majority rule! Madam Speaker, the House should know that the CLP cannot charge the CLP and/or UFD with genocide charges. The fact is that this euthenasia will be legal, so cannot be charged! Madam Speaker, how can we be charged for something that is legal? It seems the CLP are going to misuse their state given powers to settle an old grudge. They would rather see NSC members locked in prison, rather than see them across the benches. The CLP know that the NSC members would defeat them in Parliament so they have to lock us up to beat us! |
| Date | 13:24:18, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, is it bitter to find state-sponsored murder that will possibly affect thousands of my party members wrong and disgusting? I would have thought it was something much stronger than that.
Madam Speaker, the gentleman has given his own answer. We can "introduce whatever bills we want because that is the nature of majority rule". Madam Speaker, if the United Movement parties receive a majority then we too can do whatever we want, if we are to follow the NSC's logic. Madam Speaker, at least this will be in our manifesto. Compulsory euthanasia was never discussed before the nation went to vote, so they cannot claim the people support it.
Madam Speaker, if the NSC believe this is out of some "old grudge" then they are very much mistaken. Madam Speaker, this is not petty squabbling. This is out of disgust at this particular policy. If they cannot understand how we are disgusted by their desire for mass murder of the elderly, then they are removed from not only reality, but humanity. Madam Speaker, no matter how they dress it up, the government will be acting illegally. Murder remains a crime. Therefore those that carry out the murders and those that enforce the murders will be acting illegally. Madam Speaker, the government will probably not be able to carry this policy out because they will be unlikely to find anybody willing to actually kill these people. Perhaps we will see government ministers actually killing these elderly people themselves. |
| Date | 13:31:24, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Rt Hon Duke McCullum MP, Leader of the House,
Madam Speaker, it doesnt matter if the CLP are elected with the promise to charge NSC/UFD with genocide because this Euthenasia will be LEGAL! The NSC can assure the CLP we will not be facing charges for any of these alleged 'crimes'. Madam Speaker, the NSC already knows who will carry out the euthenasias of people no longer deemed neccessary to society. If needs be the NSC can rely on its military wing, the Hutori Defence Association, currently with 89,000 members, some ex-soldiers - all of whom are armed to the teeth. The HDA will continue to expand and they will be asked to step in - in neccessary. They will also ensure that NSC members do not go on trial for something that is legal! |
| Date | 13:40:52, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, should there be a majority United Movement, it is most likely that paramilitaries will be made illegal once again. The NSC cannot assure the CLP that they will not be prosecuted, for that will be entirely within the provision of the courts and the government. The fact remains, Madam Speaker, that under a majority United Movement, these people will be prosecuted for murder and conspiracy to murder. It is quite simple - the people will have demanded it. |
| Date | 13:44:12, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | [OOC: This is really quite an interesting debate. Take the Nazis for instance, they were prosecuted for the Holocaust. And yet, Germany did not adhere to international law at all, and the soldiers were carrying out orders. Should they have been prosecuted?! This debate is basically along the same lines] |
| Date | 13:48:05, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, we endorse that, if we where to get a majority, we will see that this government is put to trial for acts against humanity, and as an opressive criminal force. For murder, and intention of murder. Madam Speaker, Baroness Marelle ought to campaign very hard... |
| Date | 13:49:23, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | [OOC : well the nazis were defeated in a war so if that didnt happen they wouldnt have been prosecuted. This is different in that there is no international law to speak of - so im only going by what is the law in Hutori] |
| Date | 13:52:05, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Rt Hon Duke McCullum MP, Leader of the House,
Madam Speaker, ill tell Labour what we told the CLP. We cannot face charges for something that is legal! The members clearly need to understand this. If the law didnt permit euthenasia and we carried out murders - then thats illegal! If Euthenasia is legal and been approved by Parliament then its not illegal and we cannot face criminal charges. |
| Date | 14:13:29, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, there is such a thing as natural law, and regardless of whether the NSC like it or not, this is a humanitarian crime; the deliberate and unnecessary taking away of life.
[OOC: Quite. But there wasn't really international law after WWII as there is now. And what was there was not recognised by Germany anyway. In the sentence "the nazis were defeated in a way", you could replace that for this game with "the NSC were defeated in an election"...same thing?!?!] |
| Date | 14:22:25, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, the NSC are continually proving there idiocy, and lack of mandate to govern. The law is relative! If a crime becomes a crime in the future, can it not be applied to those carrying out the crime today? And if not, why not? Who said it cannot? Because even that is a law that is relative... |
| Date | 14:56:46, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Rt Hon Duke McCullum MP, Leader of the House,
Madam Speaker, is 58% not a majority? So the NSC and UFD have more than enough mandate to govern! An Labour say we are idiots? I mean that is the most stupid thing ive heard in this House! Madam Speaker, law applies to when the crime was committed. The legal euthenasia cannot be tried as illegal in the future because it is legal when it occured. That Madam Speaker, is the truth of the matter and ill thank the CLP and Labour to acknowledge this. |
| Date | 15:15:01, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, the CLP does not believe in retrospective law-making, and we differ with the Labour Party on that particular point. But, in this country, murder remains a crime, however it is committed. Madam Speaker, as I said before, there is also natural law to take into account. Now, the Leader of the House may dismiss this as an irrelevance, but natural law is perhaps even more important than written law. Madam Speaker, systematic murder is against the ways of humanity - it is a crime. Madam Speaker, we must also remember that nobody voted for this measure. The NSC were against this bill not so long ago - they only voted for it to 'get one over' on the CLP. Madam Speaker, the electorate could never have expected that the NSC would introduce this bill and so it has no legitimacy. Madam Speaker, it is a bill that will involve illegal acts of murder. |
| Date | 16:20:03, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, you cannot overwrite written law. End of story because written law is what the government and the people have to abide by! If murder is legal then it cannot be charged its as simple as that. What is the point of writing down the law, if it can br over-ruled? Exactly Madam Speaker, it cannot, that is why Hutorian law is written in black and white! It is in the Hutorian law books, that mandatory euthenasia is legal, then it cannot be charged in a court of law. |
| Date | 16:36:38, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, if the people of this country vote for the prosecution of the responsible ministers, then they must have it. Given the extent to which the NSC have stretched their mandate, even when they have introduced issues never mentioned in the campaign, this is most reasonable indeed. The fact that the government is more concerned with debating their own future rather than the future of the millions they intend to murder speaks volumes. |
| Date | 16:45:55, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, even if the people vote for it, it doesnt mean it can happen. People cannot vote for an illegal trial! The law as it stands allows euthenasia, so if people are killed it is perfectly legal! The judicial system cannot be altered just to suit the CLP as they see fit. Madam Speaker, if it states in the law that euthenasia is legal - then the consequences of that cannot be seen as a criminal offence and thats the end of the matter! |
| Date | 17:04:26, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, its not an issue for the people! The law cannot be overwritten at a whim just because the people asked for it. The law is the law and we cannot be tried for something thats legal - just because the people have asked us to be tried. |
| Date | 17:14:39, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, over the course of this Parliament, the government has used "the people" for every single action that they have committed. Madam Speaker, the people did not approve border control. They did not approve euthanasia. They did not approve suppression of the media. They did not approve slavery. And yet the government consistently claims the support of the people for all of these actions, simply because they have a parliamentary majority. Madam Speaker, I told the government that they should stop treating the people's word as a mandate for everything and I told them not to be so complacent. They are now understanding that these things work in cycles, Madam Speaker, and their own tactics are now being used against them, for should the United Movement receive a majority, this issue will have been officially endorsed by the people. It will have been endorsed by the people, and by natural law. Natural law, which holds life to be the most valuable thing. Madam Speaker, this government has contravened natural law and the will of the people, and should they murder these elderly people, they will be guilty of murder. |
| Date | 17:33:41, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, this government will never face a jury. If any criminal charges are ever fabricated by the CLP then the NSC MP's in question will never go on trial. The NSC as a party guarantees that. We shall go to any lengths neccessary to ensure this. |
| Date | 17:45:49, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, this is nothing but murder. State-sanctioned murder, yes, but murder nonetheless. Those who commit murder, those who permit murder and those who cooperate with murder will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law as soon as the SPU gets into power. |
| Date | 21:22:16, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, the NSC cannot guarantee that the NSC leadership will not face trial. Even if they flee the country or whatever other action they may take, a court will consider this action and try the individuals accordingly. |
| Date | 21:27:14, June 16, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, there is a safe haven in Davostan. Long has it been condemned in this nation, for having laws we are trying to implement. The NSC leadership could potentially be safe there. |
| Date | 11:58:32, June 17, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, as I said, they may do that. However, in a court of law, their cases will still be heard and tried.
Of course, the NSC have shut the borders, banning overseas travel, so it would be very difficult for them to get abroad, though I have no doubt that as soon as the election results are announced they will flee. Madam Speaker, it does not matter. For, as I said, they will still be tried.
It is interesting to note also, Madam Speaker, that the NSC, along with the FFF, were among the most vocal opponents of the policies of Davostan. How things change! |
| Date | 12:47:28, June 17, 2010 CET |
From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, never once have i critised Davostan - maybe the FFF but never us. The fact is that NSC leadership are not put off by the closage of borders. The NSC Leadership will fight the election campaign and take a state visit to Davostan while electoral results are being announced. This is permitted as the Foreign Minister will allow state visits. Should the CLP put criminal charges to NSC Leadership then we shal remain in Davostan. |
| Date | 13:51:17, June 17, 2010 CET |
From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Euthanasia bill 2954 | | Message | Madam Speaker, that will not be a problem as court trials can go ahead without the individual being present. Madam Speaker, it does of course mean that the individuals will be in a state of interminable exile, but if they are prepared for that then no problem.
And Madam Speaker, the NSC used to criticise our neighbour constantly - they did so in order to propose the need for massive military rearmament. |
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