We are working on a brand new version of the game! If you want to stay informed, read our blog and register for our mailing list.
Bill: I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better
Details
Submitted by[?]: Art & Labour
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2967
Description[?]:
| Because lets face it, SLD is only ever going to hold about 5 seats no matter how many bills we propose. Plus the fact that our coalition "partners" have been so quick and willing to undo everything we have ever done and much of the stuff the USA has done too. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Current: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Proposed: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on energy generation.
Old value:: All power stations are publicly owned.
Current: All power stations are publicly owned.
Proposed: Small scale private electrical generation is permitted but most energy is generated by a government-owned company.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: Health care is entirely public and free; private clinics are banned.
Current: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Proposed: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: All industry is owned and operated by the state.
Current: Certain industries are owned by the state, all others are under private ownership.
Proposed: The state owns the commanding heights of the economy and all major industries, but private ownership is allowed in the minor industries.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Positive discrimination.
Old value:: The government encourages positive discrimination and enforces it for government hiring.
Current: The government sets compulsory quotas for hiring women, minorities and marginalized groups.
Proposed: No form of positive discrimination is permitted.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The education system.
Old value:: Education is entirely public and free; private schools are banned.
Current: Education is entirely public and free; private schools are banned.
Proposed: There is a free public education system and a small number of private schools, which are heavily regulated to ensure they teach adequate skills and information.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change The government policy regarding housing.
Old value:: The state owns and maintains all housing.
Current: The state provides public housing to low-income families.
Proposed: The state provides public housing to low-income families.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:23:40, July 06, 2010 CET | From |  Dark Templar (LL) | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | ha |
| Date | 01:10:11, July 06, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | We support all of it, except Article Eight, and Article Five. And we could compromise on Article Three. |
| Date | 03:08:45, July 06, 2010 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | We do not support any of the articles. |
| Date | 03:26:51, July 06, 2010 CET | From | Anarcho-Primitivist Concern | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | We will support article one. Article 5 relates to an attempt to increase democracy by giving communities freedom over their own constitutional affairs provided they remain democratic. We are sorry you feel we have betrayed your trust, but we'd like to remind you that the LL is communist first and foremost. We had to vote in favour of communist proposals. |
| Date | 04:56:46, July 06, 2010 CET | From | Mountain Man Party | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | I ain't gonna waste many words, we don't think this bill is perfect, but we think it's a move in the right direction, so y'all can count on our support. |
| Date | 05:12:59, July 06, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | Our issue on Article Five is that it forces one system, whilst with the current system, the town may choose how it wants to be run. It could elect councils, one city mayor, a board to represent the city and so on. But we could compromise on that. Article Eight however, we feel that if the government needs space for, say a hospital in an area of need, or a road connection, than the government should be able to seize property. Of course we also advocate proper restitution. |
| Date | 18:12:55, July 06, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | Government should only be allowed to seize property if everyone else can. If it wants to buy property, fair enough, but to merely take it is stealing, plain and simple. |
| Date | 05:09:03, July 07, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | The wellbeing of the people in general is way more important than one single person. We shall support the bill, but would seek to repeal that particular article later on. |
| Date | 16:09:05, July 07, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | If we cant expect government to abide by the same rules as we expect the general populace to then it isnt much of a jump to suggest that the government should be able to kill people. Stealing is stealing. You can throw about all the "good of the people" crap you want, its still taking something without permission. The government only gets away with it because it has guns and a lot of faceless goons. If its illegal for me to take something without paying for it, so it should be for the government. |
| Date | 19:46:24, July 07, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | Go back and read our first statement. "Of course we also advocate proper restitution." That isn't stealing. |
| Date | 18:08:14, July 09, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the I cant believe I cant believe its not butter is better |
| Message | Gutted of the more conscientious articles. |
subscribe to this discussion - unsubscribe
Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 286 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 464 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Don't put "the" as the first word in your party name, because when parties are referred to in news reports, their names are preceded with "the", e.g. the [Socialist Party] has lost. |
| Random quote: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." - Bill Clinton |