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Bill: Separation of Church and State Act 2138
Details
Submitted by[?]: RSDP - Democratic Front
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2139
Description[?]:
| An Act to enhance and improve the separation of Church and State and the freedom of religion by not allowing public officials to wear religious symbols while exercising their duties, and by affirming that neither the State nor any public official favours a certain religion over another religion and must remain secular and neutral. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Current: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Proposed: Public officials are not allowed to wear religious symbols while exercising their duties.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:25:50, November 09, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | Against. People should be able to wear whatever they like. |
| Date | 19:33:13, November 09, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Party II | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | Yeah. Letting Civil servants and cops wear turbans, pentagrams, "Bob" masks or whatever doesn't stop the state itself being secular. Seperation of church and state is meant to stop the state actually endorsing a particular religion, not make the state totally sterile and unreligious. |
| Date | 21:05:42, November 09, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | So you approve of the State or public officials appearing to favour one religion? |
| Date | 23:53:49, November 09, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | I find it odd how the RSDP wants separations of church and state in this act but wants it in the remuneration and appointment of ministers |
| Date | 00:50:16, November 10, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | So you approve of forcing the religion of secularism down the throat of God Fearing Rutanians? |
| Date | 17:58:18, November 10, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Party II | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | "So you approve of the State or public officials appearing to favour one religion?" Sure, as long as they're enforcing the law and not their obeying their religion should it differ from the law. As long as the government as a whole doesn't actually fund or help any specific religion in any way, we've got acceptable disestablishmentarianism. |
| Date | 18:55:41, November 10, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | Only the IMPRESSION that they are obeying their religion while exercising their duties is too much and is a blatant infringement upon the freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. |
| Date | 18:56:32, November 10, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | "So you approve of forcing the religion of secularism down the throat of God Fearing Rutanians?" It's not like we're trying to outlaw religion (unlike some of your Capitalist partners), we just don't want that public officials appear to be favouring either religion. |
| Date | 18:57:14, November 10, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | "I find it odd how the RSDP wants separations of church and state in this act but wants it in the remuneration and appointment of ministers" Those issues are unrelated to the issue at hand. ;-) |
| Date | 18:58:04, November 10, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | We ask all parties truly dedicated to the rights of our Rutanian citizens to vote in favour of this act. |
| Date | 19:28:21, November 10, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | What right is this? The right not to be able to wear what you want? The right to have your religion repressed because of your job, maybe? How about the right to be unfree? |
| Date | 20:24:37, November 10, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | "Those issues are unrelated to the issue at hand. ;-)" They are completely related, they both involve the church and the state. You want a separation of the two so you make the STATE get INVOLVED in RELIGION and what people can wear Hardly separating it. |
| Date | 13:58:58, November 11, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | "It's not like we're trying to outlaw religion (unlike some of your Capitalist partners), we just don't want that public officials appear to be favouring either religion" How are we trying to outlaw religion? we are not. More bullshit from the RSDP |
| Date | 14:46:21, November 11, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | By taxing them, of course. Is the honourable member really THAT stupid? |
| Date | 15:27:36, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State Act 2138 |
| Message | Taxing them does not outlaw religion stupid. We are not proposing a law to outlaw religion are we? Idiots once again put forth their opinion in the RSDP |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 194 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 405 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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