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Bill: Civil Liberties Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sue's Corner
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2978
Description[?]:
| Ensuring morality and religion shine through. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The legality of divorces (if marriages are recognised).
Old value:: Divorces are legal, be it mutual consent, grounded cause or if one partner wants it.
Current: Divorces are only legal with grounded cause (such as adultery, or violence).
Proposed: Only divorces that comply with religious doctrine are legal.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government position in respect to crossdressing policy.
Old value:: The government has no policy concerning crossdressing.
Current: Crossdressing is prohibited by the state.
Proposed: Crossdressing is prohibited by the state.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:41:47, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | "The CUP stands firm by the right of sexually inexplicit individuals to dress as they please and by the rights of men and women to avoid abusive relationships and end their potentially damaging coircumstances by means of divorce." Eleanore Lehres, CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 03:15:17, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | They may 'stand firm' currently, but they used to support these principals. No backbone in the entire party. Damon Burns, Party Leader. |
| Date | 16:17:33, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | "The CUP has always supported equality under the law and individualism. Our methods of reaching these goals may have changed but our values remain solid. I suggest you read Aidan Fraer's Book; Redefining Solentian Conservatism: Same Goal, New Path." Eleanore Lehres, CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 16:23:37, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | This is a complete untruth. Any Solentian citizens, need not look at this book, but at the archives of senate history. They would find without looking very hard, that the CUP as they are now known, previously proposed bills which would ban crossdressing, that would ban gay couples from adopting and would ban gay people the same rights as others. How exactly has your political movement "always supported equality under the law and individualism" when one moment you are proposing something fairly right wing, the next you are supporting something liberal/left wing. What has changed? |
| Date | 16:26:44, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | "As stated, our goals remain the same, our methods have shifted. Conservative Unionism has always stood on these grounds. You are refering to the CMP, which is but half of our present movement. I note that the CMP also at times backed LGBT rights. You are obsessing over policies that were made hundreds of years ago, that just shows how truely out of touch your party really is." Eleanore Lehres, CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 16:30:10, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | I cannot remember a single time when the CMP supported LGBT rights, call us out of touch, but the CMP at least had the backbone to stand by their morals and christian morals at that. We are a party of strong moral compassion, and are proud that Solentia still has one. You may call us out of touch, I say we are a party which is nostalgic for a soulmate like the CMP who would gladly support religious and moral legislation which at one time they would assist us with. Damon Burns, Party leader. |
| Date | 21:41:59, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | "If I remember my history lessons correctly sir, it was your own Party who declared the CMP immoral and irreligious for their stance on civil liberties! http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=241200 - allowing Homosexuality in the Military and abolishing laws on sodomy" Eleanore Lehres, Senate Warden CUP Senatorial Lead |
| Date | 22:51:12, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | This legislation was a great deal after the time period we spoke of, we just found it strange the CMP came back and reformed, when it may as well have just had its members join the radical left, as the CUP defends a largely socialist record and introduces socialist ideas. But we recognise the debate has been lost as 51 are voting against this bill. Damon Burns |
| Date | 23:14:27, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | "The CUP is not socialist at all. We are socially individualist, a heavily Conservative ideal. We are economically centrist and reluctant to accept either extreme Capitalist or communist, again Conservative. And we are politically traditionalist, defending against constitutional reform; Conservative again. We catagorically reject that our ideology is leftist at all." Eleanore Lehres, Senate Warden CUP Senatorial Lead |
| Date | 02:08:01, August 02, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | The CUP supports the government subsidizing and creating a bigger state (socialist), they agree with gay rights (socialist), they agree with controlling peoples lives such as ignoring parental wishes with sex education (socialist/communist). The party may be right/liberal on some issues, but these days it is few and far between. The party has ditched its manifesto for a few jobs in government and is proposing socialist and big state ideas. Damon Burns |
| Date | 02:44:18, August 02, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | "The party that proposes bedroom legislation wants to talk records on statism and control? It's laughable. The CUP advocate logical, productive and progressive legislation that conform with ideals of maximum freedom to the individual and pragmatism. All children deserve to be educated as individuals without parents intervening and preventing the process. That is true freedom of the individual. I think the gentlemen has lost all credibility as a statesment in the suggestion that gay rights are a socialist ideal. Solentia does not want a bedroom-state as the ACP would have us under. We have rejected their statist suggestions in favour of individualism and pragmatism. Maximum opportunities for our young people and the ability to start life equal to all around them and to process as individuals for the whole of their lives. THAT is what we are fighting for and legislation about." Yvette Tekir, Secretary of State for Education and Culture. |
| Date | 03:40:19, August 02, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | The education secretary should actually join me for a debate in the appropriate time allotted to her socialist and communist reforms of our education system. Her unpragmatic and backwards way of trying to undermine the individual is incredibly dangerous. Margaret Ballantyne, Shadow Education Secretary. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 39 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 51 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 10 |
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