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Bill: Welfare Reformation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sue's Corner
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2981
Description[?]:
| Rolling back the states interference. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state guarantees child benefit to families classified as low-income or poor.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families.
Proposed: The state does not provide child benefit.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Proposed: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:15:09, August 07, 2010 CET | From |  Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Welfare Reformation |
| Message | It is about time we encourged people to get back to work, to earn more money and to improve their standard of living. All a welfare state does is encourage laziness and if pensioners get no help, then why should anyone else? Reduce welfare, reduce spending, cut taxes, more money back into peoples pockets and some incentive to earn more money and improve their own lives. You want something, you earn it. Jock Stewart, Shadow Finance Minister. |
| Date | 12:55:57, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Welfare Reformation |
| Message | "Children cannot earn and thus should not be forced to lose their only source of income due to the laziness of a parent. Child bennefit is not enough for a family to live on, only a child. You can encourage entering the work place all you like, but lets not punish children for their parent's mistakes." Ciéran ó Briain, Secretary of State for Finance. |
| Date | 15:01:45, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Welfare Reformation |
| Message | That would be right wouldn't it. Why bother going to work, the state will pay for you! Don't bother working hard, the harder you work the communist government will just take your money and give it to low life scum. Jock Stewart, Shadow Finance Minister |
| Date | 15:25:34, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Welfare Reformation |
| Message | "And you concider the unemployed and poor 'scum'? How disgusting." Ciéran ó Briain, Secretary of State for Finance. |
| Date | 15:51:04, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Welfare Reformation |
| Message | The fact remains, the more help the government gives, the less likely people are to want to get back into work. You are making unemployment rise by voting down these measures. We want to roll back the state and you as socialists want to tie people to it. How disgusting. Jock Stewart, Shadow Finance. |
| Date | 16:44:57, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Welfare Reformation |
| Message | "Those same socialists you declare right wing when it suits you to want a cabinet coalition with us? Make a policy and stick with it. What will it be? A large state or a small one? You want no welfare yet you want to interfere in the bedroom, you want a free market yet you want us to hold a monopoly on marriage, you want "conservatism" yet you seek to change our oldest constitutional traditions and call it "radical change". The Party opposite flip-flops all over the place. You hate us, yet ask us to enter government. Then you say you want early elections and yet wont propose them. Meanwhile, all other parties in the Senate have very clear albeit radically differing platforms. The CUP have always stood for a mixed economy, individualism and small state. I do however recognise the intelligence of the solentian public (even if you do not and wish to tell them that their decisions are wrong) and know that eventually, they'll see through the circus act." Ciéran ó Briain, Secretary of State for Finance. |
| Date | 17:04:02, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Welfare Reformation |
| Message | Lovely. As what the Finance Minister says has nothing to do with the debate, we shall just ignore him as most members seem too. We will take serious questions only please. Jock Stewart, Shadow Finance. |
| Date | 17:06:02, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Welfare Reformation |
| Message | "And yet again, they have no arguments. They have no answers. More jokes and amateur entertainment." Ciéran ó Briain, Secretary of State for Finance. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 42 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 58 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Before creating a party organisation, check to see whether there are any existing organisations which cover the same agenda. |
| Random quote: "It is obvious that the laissez-faire ideology represents the interests of big business. For decades, the right-wing has opposed welfare programs and nationalised companies, in favour of big business disguised under 'economic liberty'." - Cecilia Xu, former Gaduri politician |