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Bill: Crime and Justice Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sue's Corner
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2981
Description[?]:
| Presened by Jackie Ferguson and Coleen Power. Because the socialist government has failed to tackle these issues. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: Religious doctrine determines the death penalty.
Proposed: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's position towards the use of forensic DNA databases.
Old value:: Only DNA from persons convicted of crime is recorded.
Current: Only DNA from persons convicted of crime is recorded.
Proposed: All citizens' DNA is recorded.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning gated communities.
Old value:: Both the government and the private sector can set up gated communities.
Current: The private sector can set up gated communities.
Proposed: The private sector can set up gated communities.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government provision of legal aid to the accused.
Old value:: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state.
Current: Legal representation is never paid for by the state.
Proposed: Legal representation is never paid for by the state.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards police presence.
Old value:: The police patrol public property at all times.
Current: Presence of the police is left to the local governments.
Proposed: Presence of the police is left to the local governments.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Education in prisons.
Old value:: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Current: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Proposed: Prisoners are not given any form of education.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Prisoners are interned and do not work in prisons.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:28:27, August 07, 2010 CET | From |  Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Crime and Justice Bill |
| Message | It is about time we actually started getting tough on crime, punishing criminals, ensuring prisons are dreadful places and that prisoners work and suffer and their victims can enjoy the feeling, criminals will pay for their crimes. It is also important we don't waste our money on unnecessary costs such as giving legal aid to crims, or by educating prisoners and treating them to this luxury. Offering more crime deterents should only be a good thing, and applying the death penalty to serious crimes with overwhelming evidence is a way to do just this. Jackie Ferguson Shadow Interior Minister |
| Date | 12:57:54, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Crime and Justice Bill |
| Message | "State murder of individuals and a DNA Database open to hacking. State. State. State." Matti Lehtimäki, Secretary of State for Internal Affairs. CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 14:59:20, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Crime and Justice Bill |
| Message | Well Mr Lehtimaki, we were pondering on just what our policies should be in this area. I mean, do we follow your example as Internal Affairs secretary? Do we go personally to prisons and hand game consoles to prisoners themselves? In the evenings should we make it our mission to visit prisons and offer a warm mug of cocoa, a biscuit, read the prisoners a bed time story and sing hymns to them?? No because for god sake, let us actually get tough on crime, tough on criminals and make the system a one to be feared and make victims see that people are paying for the crimes they have done to them. We didn't expect you to agree, but then you never did when it involved actually making tougher laws and cracking down on crime and criminals. The last government promised us the world and brought us nothing but misery when it came to crime. At least the senate and the public will be able to see their are some parties who actually take the issue of crime seriously and are firmly on the side of the victim, not a fence sitting comittee like the good for nothing 'Conservative' unionists. What are people saying on the street these days? 'Why go to work? The government will pay you benefits? Why not committ a crime? The government will keep you in comfortable lodgings, with three tasty meals a day, and consoles and tvs in your room?' The government record on law and order would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. Jackie Ferguson Shadow Interior Minister |
| Date | 15:22:23, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Crime and Justice Bill |
| Message | "The gentleman is insane, clearly. He has never visited a prison in his life evidently as if he had he'd know what he just said was complete rubbish. All an excuse for a larger state, more dominance, more control. So called "Conservatives" should perhaps start looking at the world around them without those rose-tinted glasses. Or maybe just look up from the economics textbook they like to preach from." Matti Lehtimäki, Secretary of State for Internal Affairs. CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 15:49:44, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Crime and Justice Bill |
| Message | It is Miss. Ferguson first of all. Secondly, if we were wearing rose tinted glasses we would becoming with you on a weekly visit to make sure prisoners had all the luxuries you feel they are entitled too and actually I have visited many prisons where the prisoners are treat too well and the officers are angry that your government did nothing to tighten security and reduce crime. The fact of the matter is this government gives everything to everyone on a plate. Whichever area you look at, it is an excuse for underachievement, taking from the state because they like to control peoples lives. The unionists call themselves Conservatives, yet a true Conservative party would want to roll back the state, privatise where possible, discuss morals and religion, tighten security, reduce crime and give more freedom to the individual such as by not FORCING people into learning about sexual education. What is hard for the Internal Affairs Minister, is that he cannot comprehend that we actually follow through with our policies. We say we are conservatives, we set out our policies and we deliver. He says they are conservatives, yet they don't install any Conservative policies but socialist ones and everywhere you look the Justice system is in need of urgent reform. They've been in government three and a half years and NOT ONE single reform has even been proposed. Perhaps the Justice and Internal Affairs Ministers are part of the union-leftist socialist culture,whereby people think they can get away with doing the minimum ammount of work, and the state will just pay for it. You have let everyone down, aside from the criminals that is. Jackie Ferguson Shadow Interior Minister |
| Date | 16:47:25, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Crime and Justice Bill |
| Message | "Amusing. Tell me how long did you have to train to qualify as a circus clown? I might have to look at cutting funding for that particular course, it seems to be rather wateful." Matti Lehtimäki, Secretary of State for Internal Affairs. CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 17:01:59, August 07, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Crime and Justice Bill |
| Message | *LAUGHTER FROM ALL SIDES OF THE HOUSE My honourable friends speak for me, we talk politics, the government talks jokes. It isn't amusing, it's a disgrace. 3 Years in government, rising crime and no reform. The only thing that is funny is how bad the member is at his job. I won't waste my time or the time of honourable members who take crime seriously by responding to the CUP in this debate anymore. If any serious party has a serious question on my reforms for this serious issue, I will happily take them. Jackie Ferguson Shadow Interior Minister |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 42 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 58 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Any RP law granting extraordinary "emergency powers" or dictator-like powers to a government must be passed by at least a 2/3rds majority, but (like all RP laws) may always be overturned by a simple majority vote of the legislature. |
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