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Bill: Extraction of Vital Information and National Security Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Herut Orthodoxy
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2140
Description[?]:
| For some reason there are those who feel the life and well being of a criminal is more important than that of an innocent. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:25:04, November 12, 2005 CET | From |  Liberty Party | To | Debating the Extraction of Vital Information and National Security Act |
| Message | For some reason there are those who arrogantly believe they can always correctly discern the guilty from the innocent. Tell us, what is your magic technique for making sure that only 'criminals' are tortured and not innocents? |
| Date | 18:58:02, November 12, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy | To | Debating the Extraction of Vital Information and National Security Act |
| Message | Really, how will the confictions be valued before court ? If the accused are lucky enough to be able to appear before court of course but probably you have set up a "make up" department as well. |
| Date | 19:30:15, November 12, 2005 CET | From | none | To | Debating the Extraction of Vital Information and National Security Act |
| Message | Torture is rarely effective in the first place, as detainees will often just tell you what you want to hear, not necessarily the truth. We are opposed for this reason. |
| Date | 19:32:03, November 12, 2005 CET | From | Imperialists Union | To | Debating the Extraction of Vital Information and National Security Act |
| Message | Sorry, that's us ^ |
| Date | 21:12:27, November 12, 2005 CET | From | Herut Orthodoxy | To | Debating the Extraction of Vital Information and National Security Act |
| Message | Before court? This would be used in vital situations, if at all, not just for a prosecution of crimes. Unless you think court cases are 'vital'. Also, playing your hand for any potential enemy to see and know your limitations is foolish as well. There is nothing that says this will be used - and could not be used as a commonplace technique - as the wording states. As far as the pointless prattle coming from the LP, I do not know about whom you are referring since we do not pretend to know who are always guilty of innocent, and as the wording states in the bill, this woul dnot be done lightly or carelessly. But for some reason there are also those who wish to purposefully mis-state the aims of the legislation in an effort to... do whatever they might. This strange practice seems to be used instead of debating the actual validity of the bill, it seems they feel it better to talk about guilty and innocent as if one can NEVER know. |
| Date | 02:52:48, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Extraction of Vital Information and National Security Act |
| Message | If you do not know who is guilty and who is innocent, then surely you will end up torturing innocent people. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 173 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 352 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 30 |
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