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Bill: Child Benefit Introduction
Details
Submitted by[?]: Socio-Democratic Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2141
Description[?]:
| In order to offer better living standards to all families in our nation and to encourage the founding of families, the SDU propose that the State now guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state does not provide child benefit.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to all families.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:46:19, November 13, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | Ahem... How about no. |
| Date | 07:08:59, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | This will encourage poor and large families to have even more children. They should learn to plan ahead, not rely ont he Government when they mess up and failt provide properly for their offspring. And may I stress "THEIR offspring," not the Government's, it's theirs. |
| Date | 11:15:40, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Socio-Democratic Union | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | It's not about making citizen relying on the government, it's about helping the ones that are in need. Providing funds to these famillies is a way to help them sending their offspring (as you pointed out) to follow a better education for example, something that will make them moving into another social category. |
| Date | 11:37:21, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | At the cost of those who are already successful in their social climates, of course? People are resiliant. Put them in any social climate, and if they have the where-with-all, they will succeed. Welfare or not. |
| Date | 12:52:47, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | We agree with this. However, there should be some kind of exam that a person must take in order to establish whether they are worthy parents or not, failing said exam would result in all offspring being confiscated at birth, and upon a second offence then sterilisation. |
| Date | 12:57:37, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Socio-Democratic Union | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | The ones already successful are more than able to make a little "sacrifice" for the less-gifted citizens ! A strict control by governemental authorities will, in my opinion, avoid fraud on Child Benefit and make it an efficient tool to fight families' povrety. I'm convinced it can bring more good than harm to our country ! |
| Date | 14:24:44, November 13, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | Excuse me, but isn't the succesful people's choice: to help the poor or not? Although this option doesn't exist, it would be a good one for us: Support a private organisation which receives donations and distributes them to poor families with children. And I agree with LPP. |
| Date | 22:48:34, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Socio-Democratic Union | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | Let's vote on it then. |
| Date | 01:51:38, November 14, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | The only reason that people are unsuccessful is because of their own stupidity and their own bad decisions. On a more general plane, Poor people are poor because they are stupid. They decide to have 10 kids when they live on 5 grand a year (or in DFH terms, 2000 DFH), they decide to fail out of public school and not make sacrifices to succeed, They are the ones that decide to squander their money on "Cadillac Excalades" and "70 Inch Plasma TV's worth $10,000, when they live in a rented mobile home that is woth $3000. It is their own goddamn stupidity. Plus, that is the only reason why the CAPITALISM CONSPIRACY favors abortion. It is so the poorest people, (those most likely to get abortions) are allowed to help themselves AND society by not bringing a child they cannot care for into society. IN ADDITION, these low income children, who are proportionally more likely to commit crimes, cannot murder, steal, rape, anyone. If you think I am kidding, there is volumes of research done on the subject, and there is a proven coorelation between abortions and lower crime. If any of you have ever read any of Dr. Stephen Levitt's work, you understand my point, and if not, then ask me about it. I understand that Dolgaria does not offer free contraceptives to its populace (and it shouldnt), but these lower income families should spend more money on birth control, and less money on raising children that they cannot afford to bring up. REGRARDLESS, and back to point, THE CAPITALISM CONSPIRACY refuses to support those who cannot succeed because of their own stupidity... And that includes lower income families who demand to father 80 children. |
| Date | 07:49:21, November 14, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | he, he, you've read some of the same studies as me. Well, I've read the summaries or 'reviews' of said studies at least, you find some very interesting stuff in The Economist these days. Either way, I should point out that you will have to put this to vote again, as in about fifteen minutes the election will reset it to debate. So, in future remember that elections reset bills that have yet to conclude voting back to debate, which is why I put the 'HoS proposes cabinets' bit in the cabinet proposal, as that gets passed as soon as a majority is reached. However, it looks like it won't pass, as neither of the other two parties have voted on it yet. I will have to try again after the election.... |
| Date | 18:45:22, November 14, 2005 CET | From | Socio-Democratic Union | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | Comments made by the CC are disgusing and show that they have no compassion or respect for any kind of people other then the richs... |
| Date | 18:56:40, November 14, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | Well, In response to DUP, yes the economist is the best magazine published, EVER. Secondly, in response to SDU, That is why you are a dirty commie, and I only offer respect to people that strive to succeed. You do not need to be rich, just successful. A poor white guy working his entire life at a McDonalds with 6 kids to feed is not successful. A professor who publishes countless studies and makes great achievements to society, while only making 40-50 Grand (or again, in DFH 10-20000 DFH) Is considered successful in my book. However, A person that fails out of public school is a person who refuses to work. Even your communist ideals should support me on that point. High School is their first full time job, and it is a "Gimme" for almost every person in this country. If you fail out of high school (which is a pivotal point in life, in my opinion), then you should not expect anything from "the man," Welfare, or the government. Be disgusted all you want with my abortion views, It doesnt make them any less true. In addition to the views above, I believe that Abortion should be legal in America because the only people affected by outlawing it are the poor and lower class, those with the highest societal need for abortions. The Rich and Upper class will continue to have abortions by going to other countries (such as europe) to have the surgery perfomed. I don't agree with it morally, but economically, it makes sense. And by the way, I only have compassion for those in the lower class who strive to succeed, and cannot because of circumstances out of their control. I have ABSOLUTELY NO COMPASSION OR RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO WORK OR SUCCEED IN LIFE. done. |
| Date | 18:59:18, November 14, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | and by the way DUP, do you know what issue of the economist the book review was in, I am interested in reading it, just to see what the britons thought about the book. |
| Date | 20:54:04, November 14, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | Not sure, but it was probably in July or August. |
| Date | 21:30:17, November 14, 2005 CET | From | Alianse Progresivitāte | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | I'd like to see a bit more personal responsibility here. Giving money just for being a baby factory isn't exactly in line with the culture of death. ;-) |
| Date | 00:15:15, November 15, 2005 CET | From | Socio-Democratic Union | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | Bloody Hell CC ! Stop calling me Communist, I'M NOT COMMUNIST ! Calling me communist only shows that lack any proper political culture, because if you had it, you'd have acknowledged that I'm definitly not communist. Concerning your remark on people that are successful. You seems to be pretty ignorant of the real amount of poor people that are really trying to succeed but are indeed severed in their attempts by the general climate of discrimination. |
| Date | 17:14:57, November 15, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | jeez commie, dont be so poor spritied about it. Your name is "Socio-Democratic Union" you are only one inch away from CALLING YOURSELF the "communist party of Dolgaria." Plus, wasnt it YOU that introduced the nationalization of industry bills a few days ago!??! you better look inward at what you have become, and dont blame me for recognizing you for what you are, a Dirty Pinko Commie. And as far as your comeback to my remark to your comeback to my remark... No. you are the ignorant one. You are the one with no real world experience, with no practicality. That is why you are still proposing Socialist legislation, when that movement died like 15 years ago. remember the Berlin wall?!? Plus, poor people that try to succeed, WILL SUCCEED. there is a difference between a temporary state of poor and a permanent state of poor. College students are poor, but they are not stupid, and are definitely Successful. Also notice how there is an awful lot of charity aimed at supporting poor college students. Its because they are the ones that deserve it more than the highschool dropout mother of 12 working at mc donalds. They are the ones that are only discriminated against because of their own stupidity. So do me a favor Trotsky, and leave your Menshevik ideals at the door. Stop calling ME ignorant, and start thinking of some PRACTICAL ways of governing our great country of DOLGARIA. All hail Dolgaria, May she never Fail! |
| Date | 22:19:04, November 15, 2005 CET | From | Socio-Democratic Union | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | CC, Social-democracy has nothing to do with communism. Read something other than The Economist. If you had went trough the legislation I proposed, you'd have noticed that I didn't propose any nationalization bill. So you better watch for you tongue before speaking. My dear CC, the fall of the Berlin Wall is the fall of a political system that had nothing to do with Communism in particular or leftism in general. If you had some precise knowledge of history, you'd have noticed that the Ussr moved away from the road to communism as soon as the 1920's. What you refers as communism isn't really communism, but would be better described as a failed proletarian dictatorship transition. Social Capitalism is a workable system, and if you want to refer to real-world examples, just go take a look at Nordic Countries. And I have the best interests of Dolgarians at hearts, Dolgarians that are also consumers, something you should probably know. |
| Date | 22:29:41, November 16, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Child Benefit Introduction |
| Message | You are absolutely right., but again you took my words too literally. I was kinda making a sarchastic humor-joke... sorry you missed it. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 154 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 427 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 169 |
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