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Bill: Desubsidisation of The Rich Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Art & Labour
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3019
Description[?]:
RECOGNISING the spirit of the law and the sentiment of fairness within it ARGUING against the taxes of the poor paying for the needs of the wealthy who can look after themselves REQUESTS of the Congress that this bill be given fair appraisal before the representatives of the Ikradonian people. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government provision of legal aid to the accused.
Old value:: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state.
Current: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state for defendants with low incomes.
Proposed: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state for defendants with low incomes.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Pharmaceutical drugs policy.
Old value:: The government pays partially for all citizens' pharmaceutical drugs, and pays entirely for those of low income citizens.
Current: The government pays partially for all citizens' pharmaceutical drugs, and pays entirely for those of low income citizens.
Proposed: The government supplies free pharmaceutical drugs to those on low incomes.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 16:57:27, October 21, 2010 CET | From | Syndicalist Party (LL) | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | We totally agree with this bill. |
Date | 17:35:06, October 21, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | We can agree |
Date | 21:06:20, October 21, 2010 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | The taxes on the poor go to benefit the poor, the taxes on the rich go to the drugs for the rich AND POOR. |
Date | 21:06:53, October 21, 2010 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | Not to mention, allowing rich people to buy there own lawyers will lead to massive inequality in the law system. |
Date | 21:20:38, October 21, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | This isn't about the taxes, it's about the paying for medicine. |
Date | 21:23:29, October 21, 2010 CET | From | Syndicalist Party (LL) | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | Actually, the CFP has a preety good point with the lawyers thing. We will iniciate a consultation process among our rank and file to define our final position about the bill. |
Date | 21:49:20, October 21, 2010 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | If the rich should pay more for medication, then raise there goddamn taxes, its what they go to. |
Date | 22:14:32, October 21, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | @ CFP: But the rich were already able to pay for their own legal team, but other peoples taxes also helped them along with it. That inequality existed in the system before, after all legal aid is just that. In the case of the poor, it pays for their lawyers in its entirity, in the case of the rich it subsidises their existing legal cover in addition to what they pay for themselves. This way the rich recieve no state help that they simply dont need and they have to pay entirely for their legal fees. |
Date | 22:19:40, October 21, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | And no, dont raise taxation. Make the rich pay for their own bloody drugs out of their own pockets rather than making everyone else pay as usual. |
Date | 23:01:18, October 21, 2010 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | No, because the poor were free to pay for the same expensive legal teams, now there not. The taxes will be raised on the RICH and reduced on the POOR. Thats EXACTLY what we want to do, make them pay for there own bloody pills. |
Date | 21:00:56, October 22, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | Eh? Your argument is nonesensical. Not paying the expenses of the rich means MORE, not less, money can be diverted toward the poorest in society. That's because the state will recieve the same tax revenue as before but will have to spend less buying drugs for the rich and paying for expensive lawyers for people fully able to afford it out of their own pockets. This is a totally progressive reform as it now means that Terence is more money available to spend on legal aid for the poor, meaning that they can get even better lawyers than previously (where you get your argument on this from is beyond me) and possibly can also have more expensive drugs subsidised for them. |
Date | 21:02:23, October 22, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | * for "Terence", read "there". Typing on my iPod Touch, so not the most accurate keyboard ever. |
Date | 21:30:09, October 22, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | We agree with the SLD. |
Date | 02:56:22, October 23, 2010 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | @SLD Or we could simply redistribute taxes from the poor to the rich, its far more progressive then this. The healthcare industry is nationalized, so were just getting the same money from the rich to the state, were just putting another bureaucratic wall in-front of are people. Under the current law system the poor and the rich receive the same PUBLIC STATE lawyers, under the new one there will be a legal gap between the rich and the poor. |
Date | 19:10:13, October 23, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the Desubsidisation of The Rich Act |
Message | Fair enough. Since we arent going to convince you on this lets bring it to vote. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||||||
yes |
Total Seats: 128 | ||||||
no |
Total Seats: 622 | ||||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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