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Bill: Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers
Details
Submitted by[?]: Libertarian Socialist Party of Darnussia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3027
Description[?]:
| This bill if passed will ban the firing of striking workers and allow for strikes to have their intended purpose for improving worker's rights in Darnussia. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Employer's rights in regards to firing striking workers.
Old value:: Employers are free to fire workers who go on strike.
Current: Employers are free to fire workers who go on strike.
Proposed: Employers cannot fire workers who have gone on strike.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:43:37, November 08, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers |
| Message | You use the word "Libertarian" in the name of your party, but for what purpose exactly? Libertarianism is based on the upholding of individual freedom. How does making it illegal, through LEGISLATION, for an employer to fire workers that have agreed to work for him for a price do this in the least? The most important liberty, and also the liberty that allows for all of the other liberties that come after it to actually exist or mean anything, is the liberty of the individual to own and use property. If an individual isn't even free to run his own business how he sees fit because of the government forcing him to keep people employeed who he may very well wish to fire to benefit his business, than that individuals freedom to own and use property is coming very close to being purely superficial and without any real meaning. The employer didn't have to hire any of the people that work for him to begin with; it is HIS business, and therefore, if you believe in individual liberty, he should be allowed to run it how he sees fit. |
| Date | 21:50:43, November 08, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers |
| Message | This will not protect individual liberty; it protects the collective and will give them a way to force business to do things that in the end will end up benefiting one facet of society only to the destruction of another. There are many seconday effects that occur in a market when one group of people quickly and greatly benefit from the use of collective coercion. And I am not saying that this is always the case; one group of society can recieve a significant boost without any kind of anti-competive side effects, but the use of legislation to force this kind of thing is almost always the former type. |
| Date | 21:52:31, November 08, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers |
| Message | And I shoudn't say that the legislation is forcing it, but makes it easy for the collective to force it. |
| Date | 22:19:26, November 08, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers |
| Message | Nationalists; you claim to be "socialist", yet deny workers their rights. Aren't you mistaking Socialism for National Socialism? Because they are two completely different things. |
| Date | 22:33:46, November 08, 2010 CET | From | Imperia Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers |
| Message | i am a socialist economically but i want people to work and not waste time protesting |
| Date | 22:35:25, November 08, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Socialist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers |
| Message | Exploiting children is a beyond the pale thing to allow. I do not believe in the free market, I never have and never will. I am libertarian because I do not believe in the government's right to intervene in the personal lives and choices of the people and increasing their rights. Including the right to education which children should be participating in. Children are not as capable of understanding when their rights as workers are being infringed and what constitutes fair pay. This will at least postpone their wage slavery until they are 16. |
| Date | 22:43:49, November 08, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Socialist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers |
| Message | OOC: I was on the wrong page derp Workers have the right to protest their wage slavery and in our horrible system of capitalist economic exploitation of lower classes as a Libertarian who cares about the rights of individuals I am opposed to this form of slavery being imposed on people by a small rich elite. Strikes are the only tool workers have against their masters and letting them simply fire strikers throws a wrench right in that system. Yes I am legislating the limitations of the rights of the bourgeoisie to keep their workers in a borderline slave-like condition, but I am giving the workers the freedom to demand their rights from their employers, changing the balance of power in favour of the many poor instead of the wealthy elite. |
| Date | 23:02:07, November 08, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers |
| Message | So... You're not a socialist then. DNP, the correct definition of what you are is a "fascist". |
| Date | 01:16:14, November 09, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers |
| Message | You really don't understand what you're talking about; being a member of a union and only working for members of unions who because of union regulations can't fire you is one thing, but the government actually legislating that it is ILLEGAL for an employer to fire ANY workers who go on strike is just absolutely ridiculous. Even someone with a generally modern social-democratic political perspective would not be as stunned in the head to actually think that this is a step in the right direction. Think for a second about what this could cause. If a worker knows he CAN'T BE FIRED............PERIOD, for going on strike, do think that there isn't going to be a lot of people who aren't working....? |
| Date | 01:20:38, November 09, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Federal Bill on the Rights of Workers |
| Message | I shoudn't have to explain any of this to you; its really just commen sense...and I by no means am suggesting that everything is as simple as "common sense", just that this particular bill is. Think about it for a minute. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 33 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 93 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 49 |
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