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Bill: Fair Secularism Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dorvikische Volkspartei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3031
Description[?]:
Rolling back religion imposed on the people. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government selectively screens which religions are permitted to send missionaries to the nation. Certain religions are approved and travel is unregulated.
Current: Foreign missionaries are welcomed and encouraged by the government.
Proposed: The government determines which missionaries are permitted to visit on a person by person basis.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Current: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Proposed: Religious organizations are not permitted to actively promote themselves or advertise, however evangelism is permitted by individuals.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Current: No religions are taxed.
Proposed: All religious income, despite the use, is taxed.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Current: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Proposed: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 17:53:45, November 16, 2010 CET | From | . | To | Debating the Fair Secularism Bill |
Message | This Bill disregards Dorvik's Christian heritage and imposes unfair restrictions on Christians living here. We need to put God at the centre of our national life, not relegate him to the margins. |
Date | 19:13:12, November 16, 2010 CET | From | Dorvikische Volkspartei | To | Debating the Fair Secularism Bill |
Message | No, its seperating the state and religion. |
Date | 20:21:49, November 16, 2010 CET | From | . | To | Debating the Fair Secularism Bill |
Message | What does taxing non-profit religious groups or banning religious groups from sharing their faith have to do with a separation of religion and state? |
Date | 22:10:17, November 16, 2010 CET | From | Dorvikische Volkspartei | To | Debating the Fair Secularism Bill |
Message | Advertising a belief is grossly wrong, its almost like pressurising people into following a religion. Evangelism is a fairer alternative. Taxing religions is fair, there is no reason they should be treated any differently than companies should your party feel they should have the right to advertise like a company. |
Date | 23:25:34, November 16, 2010 CET | From | . | To | Debating the Fair Secularism Bill |
Message | In the interests of fairness, perhaps the Green Socialist Party should also prohibit organisations from promoting atheism. |
Date | 23:35:35, November 16, 2010 CET | From | Dorvikische Volkspartei | To | Debating the Fair Secularism Bill |
Message | Atheism isn't a religion and therefore isn't covered in this bill. Our party is not against religion, we simply support the right to choose. We feel Atheism should not be promoted either. |
Date | 01:30:37, November 17, 2010 CET | From | . | To | Debating the Fair Secularism Bill |
Message | In other discussions, the Green Socialist Party has made much of how they believe individuals should be free to do whatever they want, however objectionable. Are these same individuals not capable of reviewing the opinions put forward by religious organisations and forming a personal judgement on their veracity? What is so wrong or so scary about religious groups that they must not be allowed to speak to the public? Why, to the GSP, is it acceptable to have sex with animals, masturbate in public or snort cocaine, but not, say, pick up and read a religious pamphlet prepared by a local Catholic church? |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||
yes | Total Seats: 188 | ||
no |
Total Seats: 188 | ||
abstain | Total Seats: 124 |
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