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Bill: Abolition of Military/National Service Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dorvikische Volkspartei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3033
Description[?]:
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term of civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:59:37, November 20, 2010 CET | From |  . | To | Debating the Abolition of Military/National Service Bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker, There is much to be said for Civilian National Service. It gives young people a sense of responsibility to society, as well as an opportunity to develop their skills and confidence. It also creates opportunities for projects to be undertaken for which there would not otherwise be the manpower to complete. |
| Date | 01:01:30, November 20, 2010 CET | From | Dorvikische Volkspartei | To | Debating the Abolition of Military/National Service Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The CPU voting against this, yet also voting against the women's right to serve bill even though it will pass is therefore contradictory. In effect, the CPU will be voting in favour of forcing women into national service, something they claimed they were against. |
| Date | 01:22:12, November 20, 2010 CET | From | . | To | Debating the Abolition of Military/National Service Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, There is a big difference between *civilian* national service and *military* national service. Civilian national service might mean helping on public environmental or construction projects, helping young children learn to lead, helping out at an old peoples home, clearing up street litter and so on. We are sure there are plenty of roles within the scope of civilian national service which would be suitable for young women. |
| Date | 01:41:58, November 20, 2010 CET | From | Lormish National Congress | To | Debating the Abolition of Military/National Service Bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker, It is archaic and wrong for a state to force it's citizens in any way shape or form towards national service when an imminent threat is not apparent. There are much more practicle and fairer ways for our nations young adults to become responsible and develop coonfidence, the state should not impose it's self ever in this way. |
| Date | 01:43:55, November 20, 2010 CET | From | Dorvikische Volkspartei | To | Debating the Abolition of Military/National Service Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We completely support the comments made by the Lormish National Congress. May we also add that forcing people into civilian national service could have a negative, undesired effect. |
| Date | 01:45:49, November 20, 2010 CET | From | . | To | Debating the Abolition of Military/National Service Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. The Dorvik government compels children to attend school for more than 10 years of their lives. It also compels them to do many other things, like pay taxes and obey laws. Is it really so unreasonable and so radical to ask each citizen, perhaps just for 6 months in their late teens or twenties, to devote a little time to community work? We think society ends up stronger as a result. Civilian national service inculcates values of community responsibility and caring about others. |
| Date | 01:57:04, November 20, 2010 CET | From | Dorvikische Volkspartei | To | Debating the Abolition of Military/National Service Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, But at the age the civilian national service has to take place teens are more likely to 'rebel' against the state, if what I say is understood. |
| Date | 02:07:51, November 20, 2010 CET | From | . | To | Debating the Abolition of Military/National Service Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Perhaps the rebellious nature of modern-day youth is a strong reason for maintaining rather than scrapping civilian national service? |
| Date | 02:14:36, November 20, 2010 CET | From | Dorvikische Volkspartei | To | Debating the Abolition of Military/National Service Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, What we have suggested is that civilian national service only makes the matter worse. If there were youths that actually wanted to help society they would volunteer rather than be forced to do so. |
| Date | 02:22:30, November 20, 2010 CET | From | . | To | Debating the Abolition of Military/National Service Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Perhaps a gentle kick up the backside would be a good thing too sometimes? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 209 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 291 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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