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Bill: P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038
Details
Submitted by[?]: People's Commonwealth Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3042
Description[?]:
| The People's Commonwealth Party wishes to introduce our ideal policies that would reform the current military of the United Republics of Lodamun to officially create a national defense under the banner of the United Republican Army. We believe a strong military, ironclad defense and progessive military discipline and tradition is something that all of Lodamun may be able to agree upon and the Commonwealth Party hopes that this bill meet quick radification. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 1 - The state owns all defence industries. The first force to cause unnecessary conflict through war are the private industries that thrive on warfare. By nationalizing all means of production, we ensure that war will not be declared for profit. Article 2 - The use of land mines is allowed but restricted. A seemingly minor article, research has shown that mines are hazardous during and after conflicts. To cut down on civilian and friendly army deaths by unmonitored mines, we must restrict the usage to only when necessary and ensure absolute clean up after use. Article 3 - Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited. Though the People's Commonwealth Party is militantly secular, we do concede to having no descrimination within the military. Even if that means allowing religions to be a protected catagory. Article 4 - The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies. The United Republics of Lodamun will allow the sale of arms to those Congress and the people deem responsible allies in need. Not only will this create new avenues for income and keep our nationalized industry busy, but also ensures greater comradery from our international allies. Article 5 - A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it. The United Republican Army shall be a branch reserved for foreign campaigns, trained in fiercer combat strategies that are unfit for domestic use or to be used on native civilian or para-military groups. Such groups will be handled by a domestic police force. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Additional propositions: Proposition 1 - Add the "United Republican Army" to the United Republics of Lodamun Wiki page. Proposition 2 - Have an official celebration with military parades scheduled for May 1 of every year called "Republic Day". Proposition 3 - Add the "Republic Day" celebration to the United Republics of Lodamun Wiki page. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The People's Party will begin the vote on this bill in 3041 or whenever there are active parties with Congressional seats. If you are from the Congressional parties and want to vote on this bill, speak up so that we may begin the vote. Discussion is encouraged and any and all proposals will be taken into heavy consideration. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: The state owns all defence industries.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The use of land mines is allowed.
Current: The use of land mines is prohibited.
Proposed: The use of land mines is allowed but restricted.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Discrimination in the military on grounds of race/religion.
Old value:: The government does not interfere with the military over who can serve in it.
Current: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Proposed: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government does not allow arms to be exported.
Current: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Proposed: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:19:43, December 01, 2010 CET | From | FSD Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | The Nationalist Party has serious reservations about this bill, however it can see that the People's Commonwealth Party has thought this through and can see the wisdom in both clauses 1, 2 and 5. We believe that the military should be able to choose who serves in it, not the government (the military should control it's own recruitment policies), we also believe that the military should be able to help in serious circumstances (terrorism, violent uprisings etc.) Overall, we have decided to support this bill, it strikes a fair balance between safety and common sense and we will vote in favor. "I don't think that General Kimball is going to be happy, he always did enjoy breaking up violent riots" - Jack Spears, Chairman and Ex President of Lodamun. |
| Date | 22:50:58, December 01, 2010 CET | From | People's Commonwealth Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | "Hahaha! Well, while I do enjoy a good riot busting, I did help draft the bill. I concede the right to breaking up violent riots to the brave men and women of the civilan guard. Besides, I was once a member of one of those so called 'violent riots' in what seems like ages ago..." - Montgomery Kimball Commissar Chairman of the People's Commonwealth Party The People's Party will consider the issue with allowing minor military intervention in serious domestic situations like you described. However, keep in mind we are in favor of having a para-military group that is trained specifically for fighting on domestic soil that could assist the police if organizations such as domestic terrorist groups attacked the public. If anyone else agrees with the National Party's suggestion to remove Article 4 in favor of the original ruling, speak up. |
| Date | 22:52:17, December 01, 2010 CET | From | People's Commonwealth Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | For some reason it deleted Article 5 and wont let me add it back in. |
| Date | 06:03:28, December 02, 2010 CET | From | FSD Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | I can still see it, maybe it's just you browser? Particracy still has some bugs still in the system that can be caused by using certain browsers or operating systems. |
| Date | 06:06:26, December 02, 2010 CET | From | FSD Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | "To tell the truth, I founded the Nationalist Party after meeting up with like mined individuals during a protest myself, seems that there is a silver lining to every cloud; violent or not." - Jack Spears, Chairman and Ex President of Lodamun |
| Date | 11:51:27, December 02, 2010 CET | From | People's Commonwealth Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | Article 4 - A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it. Has changed to Article 5. |
| Date | 12:28:40, December 02, 2010 CET | From | FSD Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | I see it all said the blind man |
| Date | 16:52:08, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Liberal Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | The Liberal Party will support this bill |
| Date | 01:43:30, December 03, 2010 CET | From | People's Commonwealth Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | Article 5 will be removed in favor of the old value, as suggested by the Nationalist Party. Vote will begin around December of 3039. If you will be there to vote, say so and be counted! If not, the People's Commonwealth Party is open to the proposal of a better date. We want to ensure that this bill will not be defeated simply because active Congress members were not present to vote! |
| Date | 01:24:00, December 04, 2010 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | The Social Democratic Party cannot possibly support this bill. There are several logical fallacies in this that make it clear that this is an act developed in a fantasy-land. Article 1 is based on the presumption that the sword and shield of the state is run not by our military's leaders but by the CEOs of weapons manufacturers. It also makes it clear that the PCP believes that our political system is corrupt. Article 2 does not recognise that, all things considered, a minefield is the best defensive weapon available to our military. It provides us a way to: 1) Slow down an enemy army by making them clear a route through the minefield 2) Close off potential routes of advance to the enemy and thereby funnel them to where we want them to go 3) Demoralises the enemy by randomly blowing one of them up Article 3 is one we support Article 4 assumes that our allies will remain so for ever and ever and ever. Unfortunately, this is not guaranteed. Preventing the exportation of our weaponry is the best way to minimise foreign knowledge of our currently deployedadvanced weapons systems and their ability to develop countermeasures. |
| Date | 17:44:25, December 08, 2010 CET | From | People's Commonwealth Party | To | Debating the P.C.P.'s United Republican Army Formation Bill of 3038 |
| Message | We have taken into account everything the Social Democrats have had to say and have come to these conclusions: Article 1 - It is obvious that a large portion of our arms manufactoring is under the control of private executives and not our military leaders! That is evident in the policy itself! If it is privately owned, than it is under the control of CEO's and their interests, not the authorities who have been approved by the people and the state. If what you are saying is true, than why should people fear the changes made by our suggested policy? Article 2 - Mines are very dangerous and they have been shown to cause considerable damage to ally and civilians during AND after a conflict. They aren't to be banned, as you have pointed out they are useful, but their use will be limited to prevent unnecessary and unwanted casualties. Article 4 - You make a good point. Had we more time to debate, we might have decided to change it to something more to both of our liking, but that time has passed. Maybe in the future, we may make adjustments, but unitl then, the Commonwealthists are happy with this provision. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 173 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 76 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 501 |
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