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Bill: Religious Freedoms Bill.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Labour Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3040
Description[?]:
| There needs be an allowance for religious freedom in this nation. The Labour party have always been the guardians of this in Hutori History, and we shall continue being so. It must be made clear however that this is only a beginning, and we promise to do all we can to repeal the Leftist League treaties we are currently in, in order to actually legalise religion under our law. I will happily enter into a coalition with any party after the next election that is willing to do this. Sinead Mcdade, Leader of The Labour Party |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: Foreign missionaries are not permitted to enter the nation.
Current: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Proposed: The government determines which missionaries are permitted to visit on a person by person basis.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state appoints all heads and other ministers of all religions.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Current: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Proposed: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: Wearing religious clothing or religious symbols in public is illegal.
Current: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Proposed: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: Ministers of religion shall receive no remuneration whatsoever.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religions shall be regulated by the law, but shall be borne by the religious communities themselves.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:11:04, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Bill. |
| Message | Rt Hon Karl Harrod, Prime Minister, Mr Speaker, the NSC has no desire for any sort of religion in Hutori. We could give the same speech as we did in the last pro-religion Bill but we dont want to waste our breath. The Hutorian people do not need falsities such as religion in their lives. What they need is a strong socialist foundation in order to better their lives. |
| Date | 21:29:23, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Bill. |
| Message | Sinead Mcdade, Leader of the Labour Party, Mr Speaker, I would advise the government that responding to their opposition is not a a waste of breath, but a neccesity in democratic society, Furthermore, the Government needs to understand that this party believes in secularism and the detachment of church and state, and that we do not wish to see the establishment of a religious state in hutori, but wish to see the liberation of peoples minds and lives. The government has no right to decide what a person believes, and must not interfere with a persons faith conviction. Whether religion is false or not is not the governments concern, their concern is to protect and govern the nation fairly and justly, and imprisoning somone for believing in God is as sick as imprisoning a person for believing in the tooth fairy. The Governments duty is to respect its peoples opinions, and implement their wishes, 44% of our population are religious, according to this poll (http://classic.particracy.net/generatepoll.php?nation=15®ion=0&leg1party=0&leg1second=0&leg1voted=0&leg2party=0&leg2second=0&leg2voted=0&inquiry=opinion&ideology=REL&election=party) And the rest are self proclaimed secularists, but most of them will not want forced athiesm either. When will this government start respecting the opinions of its people? |
| Date | 21:36:39, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Bill. |
| Message | Christopher Goldsworth, Education and Culture spokesperson (Conservative Party), Mr. Speaker, We completely echo the comments made by the Labour Party, alas, a fair socialist party! |
| Date | 21:44:47, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Bill. |
| Message | Rt Hon Karl Harrod, Prime Minister, Mr Speaker, perhaps we phrased that badly. We meant our justification for voting no was made very clear in our last pro-religious Bill. Mr Speaker, we believe religion to be no more than part of Capitalist oppression aganist the working classes. We want the people to be happy with their lives - so they dont need to turn to religion to justify their lives! Mr Speaker, we respect Labours opinions but we are primarily an anti-religous party and our vote will reflect that. |
| Date | 22:15:39, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Bill. |
| Message | Christopher Goldsworth, Education and Culture spokesperson (Conservative Party), Mr. Speaker, It is good to see that another opposition party as well as our own has got the National Socialists quaking in their boots. Mr. Speaker, why do the National Socialists continue to claim that religion is 'capitalist oppression'? Religion has nothing to do with economics whatsoever. |
| Date | 00:19:11, December 03, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Workers Party (LL) | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Bill. |
| Message | HWP Leader, Jeremy Douglas, Mr Speaker, the issue is not tha one directly affects the other but the two are connected. We personally are anti-religous also and will be voting with the government on this issue. The fact is that religion - people turn to when going through problems. We wish to remove the problems so religion isnt needed. A large Hutorian society where all are equals will fill the void created by religous ideas. |
| Date | 00:52:43, December 03, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Bill. |
| Message | Christopher Goldsworth, Education and Culture spokesperson (Conservative Party), Mr. Speaker, Religion is a belief that one has. It is a shame that there are two parties willing to take away the Hutori people's right to choose whether they wish to be religious or not. The Conservative Party will stand for these rights and will not tolerate extremist socialist parties taking advantage of an ideology that has the people at its heart. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 0 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 391 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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