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Bill: Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2149
Description[?]:
| The Anarch Anakrousite Shatter wishes to suggest (again) changing the name of the Senate, to something more 'unique' on the world stage. Suggestion: The Anarch Anakrousite Shatter suggests "Convocation". Convocation: a group of people formally assembled for a special purpose Above all, the AAS would like to see Likatonia as UNIQUE and special. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: Senate
Current: Congress of the Republic
Proposed: Convocation
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:46:34, November 16, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | Does anyone have any commentary on this? Some indication of whether they might vote for or against? And why they might vote against, be that the case? |
| Date | 08:04:32, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | PSS is still considering our position and would be gratefull to the AAS if it could explain why they feel that the change of name is necessary for reasons other than the 'character' of the name of the institution ? Our counter argument, although there is an abscence of strength of conviction in regards to this is that 'Chapter House' may confuse newcomers to Likatonian Politics who are otherwise au fait with the term 'Senate'. |
| Date | 19:57:12, November 17, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | After consideration, the RLP feels that the name 'Chapter House' has the implication of being one part of a larger organization; and as such is diluting the concept of national soverignity so rightly pushed by the AAS in attempting to remove us from restrictive treaties. We must therefore oppose this name, while reserving the option to rethink our position should other arguements convince us. |
| Date | 20:31:20, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | Response to the PSS: First - let us point out that MANY might not know much about what a 'Senate' is. (In realworld politics, there are not that many actual Republics). It is about cultural identity. Look through the World News, and you'll see People's Councils, Parliaments, Consuls... etc. Just as you'll see Emperors, Presidents, Premieres, perhaps. Each different title makes that nation, that culture.... somewhat unique... gives them something special to set them apart. The AAS finds the term Chapter House evocative of hundreds of years of history, and attractive in it's own right. It is certainly unique. There is also a World politics factor... In the 'real world', when people talk about 'parliament', or 'the house of commons', or even 'the queen', many people automatically know that we are discussing something about England on the world stage. Being recognised is positive political capital. |
| Date | 20:34:47, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | Response to the RLP: Chapter most likely comes from the latin 'capita'... meaning 'head'. Perhaps, as in a head-count... perhaps as in the Head of the organisation. Neither of those possibilities actually implies ANY interaction with an outside body. The AAS believes that municipalities would have 'chapter houses', provinces would have State 'chapter houses'... and that Likatonia would have a "Chapter House"... which would be the administration centre for Likatonian policy. The AAS agrees - we SHOULD divest ourselves of external inhibitions to our national sovereignty... but we see no implication ata ll, that the term Chapter House refers to any institution outside of the Likatonian borders. We, ourselves, would never suggest such a name, if we believed it to be otherwise. |
| Date | 21:32:54, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | PSS thanks AAS for the timely reply, and has decided to support the Bill. |
| Date | 02:37:59, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Front for State Prosperity | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | I would vote against. While I'd love to see the obsolete term of Senate put to pasture, I really don't know if this is the right thing to replace it with. A few suggestions, if I may: Center Council - Since this is the center of Likatonia's government, it seems fitting. Legislative Hall - We write the legislature in this hall, so fits for obvious reasons. Government Enclave - An enclave is a city-within-a-city. If we have one of those for our parliament, we should use this term. Otherwise, ignore this suggestion. Hall of Powers - this one is mostly a joke, but then we could call ourselves the powers-that-be. |
| Date | 18:12:55, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | The AAS appreciates the suggestions of the PCP... but none of those terms have any 'historical' significance, do they? The AAS likes the idea of a heritage being bound up in our naming... something that can be used to convey the 'identity' of our nation. (Hence why we liked "First Advocate" and "Emissary"... both titles that give some scope for imagination... and hint at a 'history'). The choice we prefer from those offered by the PCP, is "Government Enclave"... but we are worried that it carries pseudo-military-encampment overtones. We like the idea of Likatonian government as fairly stable... rather than sounding like some kind of junta. |
| Date | 19:03:19, November 18, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | We of the RLP could get behind "Government Enclave"... it has the right tone in our humble opinion. |
| Date | 10:18:23, November 19, 2005 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | "Government Enclave" for the PSS conjours up images of an insular assembly. |
| Date | 21:25:04, November 19, 2005 CET | From | Front for State Prosperity | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | "Enclave" is not often utilized to describe military encampments. It is typically utilized to describe small self-contained cities. For instance, a "trading enclave" is a city that is self-sufficient, in a remote location, and that bases its economy on trade or on resupplying traders. Similarly a "government enclave" is a term historically used to describe any area that is mostly self-sufficient but which the majority of the work within done is administrative work. Basically, a government enclave would be a small city consisting of all the beaurocracy of a nation or a part of a nation and the families of the workers within. There is indeed such a thing as a "military enclave" but that's what you call a military base in a remote area where the families of the soldiers live with the soldiers as well. It's not an encampment. |
| Date | 02:45:09, November 24, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | The AAS has been cruising the World News, and has noticed that the Valruzian Federation doesn't have a Senate, but instead has a "Consortium of Cabbages and Kings". Their Head of State is titled as "Walrus", and their Head of Government is the "Carpenter". While the AAS doesn't necesarily endorse going THAT far (basing our traditions on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, or equivalent), we DO appreciate the unique national identity that this grants to the Valruzian Federation. Again - the AAS suggests that we should do something about our 'identity'. If for no other reason than to give some 'flavour' to our nation... and to leave a legacy of heritage for later additions to Likatonian politics. |
| Date | 21:34:58, November 29, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | Anyone got any opinions on "Covocation"? (Convocation: a group of people formally assembled for a special purpose). I still prefer Chapter House, mind.... |
| Date | 21:44:25, November 29, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | The RLP could support that one as a compromise, we still prefer Government Enclave |
| Date | 08:29:38, November 30, 2005 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | Either would be supported by PSS |
| Date | 15:50:10, November 30, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | Bill amended. Waiting till after the election to table the motion. |
| Date | 14:14:55, December 01, 2005 CET | From | Front for State Prosperity | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | Convocation sounds excellent. |
| Date | 16:14:34, December 01, 2005 CET | From | Front for State Prosperity | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | Oh, and the PCP has no preference regarding the difference between a government enclave and a convocation. We like both and prefer both to the current bland name. |
| Date | 03:27:41, December 03, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Convocation |
| Message | Sad. The bill was somewhat undecided... more than 100 votes remaining uncast. The AAS may bring this back before the senate... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 297 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 100 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 103 |
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