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Bill: Edict of Humane Extradition
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Imperial Hobrazian Front
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2142
Description[?]:
| As it would be baseless for the Republic to send away foreign nationals to states that are known human rights violators, the Christian Socialist Party proposes the following legislation. It would be hypocritical of Hobrazia to disallow such practices but allow for persona non grata to be deported to nation states that openly engage in these practices. WHEREAS it is the right of every individual to be treated in a just manner, all foreign nationals set for extradition to a foreign nation who either practices capital punishment, torture, or any inhumane retribution must be granted a Writ of Extradition Exemption by the judge overseeing his or her case. If the judge does not properly comply, the said individual may appeal to the Minister of Foreign Affairs or the Minister of Justice, both of whom are authorized to distribute Writs of Extradition Exemption. By inhumane retribution, this bill means a) capital punishment b) torture, or c) anything less humane than Hobrazia's current laws. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The terms of extradition.
Old value:: Extradition to nations with capital punishment is not allowed, unless there are assurances that the death penalty will not be imposed.
Current: Extradition to nations with capital punishment or with cruel or inhumane treatment of suspects and convicts is not allowed.
Proposed: Extradition to nations that practice cruel or inhumane treatment of suspects or in punishment is not allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:24:39, November 15, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Edict of Humane Extradition |
| Message | Agreed. |
| Date | 23:52:31, November 15, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Edict of Humane Extradition |
| Message | Strongly agreed |
| Date | 02:58:00, November 16, 2005 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Edict of Humane Extradition |
| Message | Cant' support this, who are we to decide what is inhumane or cruel? |
| Date | 05:10:29, November 16, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Edict of Humane Extradition |
| Message | "who are we to decide what is inhumane or cruel?" Uh, humans. This is silly seeing as we've legislated such things in our own nation, so we've established what our societal norms are when dealing with justice. I can't possibly think of a logical counterargument against not extraditing people to cruel regimes. Show some compassion, L-PU! You've long been an ally of the CSP regarding civil liberties; don't get cynical on us now. If we cannot show concern for our fellow man, then we are no better than animals! By allowing individuals to be deported to oppressive countries, the Government of Hobrazia is no better than the regimes which regularly commit these atrocities. We implore the L-PU to reconsider their position regarding this bill. |
| Date | 06:05:35, November 16, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Edict of Humane Extradition |
| Message | But the term is very ambigious. Trying to apply universal standards of whats inhumane or cruel can't work. For example, in Hobrazia our prisoners must work without pay. In some nations that can be considered slavery, and inhumane punishment. There is no standard to hold it up against, so the law becomes hazy. It comes down to what we personally think is cruel, rather than what the law states is cruel. |
| Date | 06:15:17, November 16, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Edict of Humane Extradition |
| Message | @L-PU: Provided updated definitions of inhuman retribution so that they reflect Hobrazian values, whatever they may be now or in the future. "There is no standard to hold it up against." Yes there is: ours. "It comes down to what we personally think is cruel, rather than what the law states is cruel." What else matters? The law holds no opinions, only we do as responsible human beings. Even if the law is still a bit vague, so what? Is it so terrible if the judicial branch has some leeway on this? If the foreign individual in question is not given a Writ of Extradition Exemption, then he or she may appeal to one of two cabinet ministers. |
| Date | 21:15:08, November 16, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Edict of Humane Extradition |
| Message | It just seems ludacrous that we don't allow certain practices, but will extradite people to countries who do. We put in place these laws because they reflect our nation's values, and I plan to stick by these. |
| Date | 21:35:56, November 16, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Edict of Humane Extradition |
| Message | OT: "our prisoners must work without pay" This is not cynism BTW, it's justice. IT: If the gravity of the offense needs it, I see no problem on extraditing offenders on other countries, unless Death Penalty would be applied on them. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 164 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 236 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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