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Bill: End Handouts to Farmers Act.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal-Progressive Union
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2143
Description[?]:
| This eliminates one of the many subsidies our government gives out. We shouldn't be the personal bank for every failing buisness or the unemployed. These farmers will still receive government monetary support through our welfare laws, and if they have children they get even more Crowns. We must make our citizens self reliant. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government agricultural and farming subsidies policy.
Old value:: Strategic crops are produced on State owned farms. All other produce is left to the Private sector.
Current: The government subsidises the operations of low-income farming families.
Proposed: The government denies subsidy assistance to farmers.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:38:16, November 18, 2005 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the End Handouts to Farmers Act. |
| Message | If they fail, they already recieve welfare and free housing. |
| Date | 18:18:03, November 18, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the End Handouts to Farmers Act. |
| Message | Again, your bill descriptor is a fallacy. As the farms are State owned, farmers are State employees and as such do not receive handouts but rather wages for their work. Now the Private farmers, you know, the ones that aren't subsidised and aren't employees rather they would be employers or self employed, if they fail they receive welfare and subsidised housing, but as they aren't the ones this bill would effect... Your bill and premise are wrong. Please, if you are going to pass a new bill, tell the truth. |
| Date | 19:25:07, November 18, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the End Handouts to Farmers Act. |
| Message | Can we get the L-PU under:- "The government's policy regarding regulation of media content. There are laws against the publication of false information and hate speech."? We'll vote against for want of a true and decent bill description. |
| Date | 21:10:47, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the End Handouts to Farmers Act. |
| Message | Well this bill isn't the theory of relativity here..christ. Subsidies=Handouts. Go ahead and vote no, I'm not going to spend 10 minutes describing a bill that can be summed up in two words, Subsides-Bad. So vote no, I insist.... A no vote on a bill means that the other party or parties found something lacking in the description, and or proposal. When a party votes no on a certain bill the amount of seats that they have in the legislature go in the no column. Parties that vote yes have their seats go into the yes column. So, more yes votes than no votes means the bill, or proposal passed the legislature, despite the no votes due to the above statements or out of spite. The more bills that pass for a party means they recieved more yes votes than no votes. Do I need to go over it again? |
| Date | 21:29:07, November 18, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the End Handouts to Farmers Act. |
| Message | BUT THERE ARE NO SUBSIDIES!!! The government OWNS the farms completely IN THE SAME WAY that a PRIVATE COMPANY WOULD. There are NO SUBSIDIES as the government HAS TOTAL CONTROL. Hope the caps get it into your head. |
| Date | 21:35:27, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the End Handouts to Farmers Act. |
| Message | Total control WITH TAX MONEY which amounts to SUBSIDATION OF GOVERNMENT OWNED farms. PRIVATE INDUSTRY is not using tax money TO OPERATE. |
| Date | 23:02:14, November 18, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the End Handouts to Farmers Act. |
| Message | Government owned farms don't have to use tax money to operate, they can operate for profit in just the same way as a private company. The only way that these farms are subsidised is that the cost of food is kept artificially low, but I would point out not below the cost of production. So there are NO subsidies. The cost of the food = production cost, no more no less and so there is NO subsidy. |
| Date | 09:11:01, November 19, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the End Handouts to Farmers Act. |
| Message | I've moved past this, I moved on. But please no more tantrums, people have their own opinions and they might not always go along with your opinions... Just let it go, it's over with. But I am right you know, because elitist are always right..or they think they are. Then they get upset when an inferior mind has different ideas, and when their "stupid" bills pass. I can understand the the anger. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 167 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 127 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 106 |
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