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Bill: Local Government Creation Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Pontesian National Conservative Alliance
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3101
Description[?]:
| The PNCA is of the opinion that the Pontesian government is too centralized. This act would delegate more power to local authorities to govern as they see fit. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's position towards the administration of law.
Old value:: There are regional courts, but decisions of regional courts may be appealed to national courts (if the right to appeal exists).
Current: There are regional courts, but decisions of regional courts may be appealed to national courts (if the right to appeal exists).
Proposed: There are regional courts that have jurisdiction over questions of regional law and national courts that have jurisdiction over questions of national law.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The appointment of mayors.
Old value:: The municipal councils exercise mayoral powers.
Current: The Head of State oversees the appointment of all mayors.
Proposed: Local governments determine the method of appointment.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:00:43, April 04, 2011 CET | From |  Pontesian Royalist Party | To | Debating the Local Government Creation Act |
| Message | Article 1 is perfectly acceptable. Article 2 would recreate the ineffective system which has only recently been amended. Article 3 creates a jurisdictional void, local governments will have serious problems with crimes committed across jurisdictional lines. The authority of the local governments is delegated them by the representatives of the nation, we should at least honour the national government equitably with the local governments. |
| Date | 03:49:46, April 04, 2011 CET | From | Pontesian National Conservative Alliance | To | Debating the Local Government Creation Act |
| Message | In retrospect, you are right about Article 3. The PNCA will withdraw that Article. As to Article 2, what is ineffective about that system? It stands to reason that regional courts should deal with regional law and national courts should deal with national law. For the national courts to intervene in matters of regional law would undermine the authority of the regional governments. |
| Date | 04:45:31, April 04, 2011 CET | From | Pontesian Royalist Party | To | Debating the Local Government Creation Act |
| Message | One problem with the system is the inefficiency of having separate national and regional courts, it adds unneeded levels of bureaucracy and expense to the taxpayers. The more prudent problem would be in the lack of regional involvement in cases of national law which relate to the region in question. |
| Date | 04:59:43, April 04, 2011 CET | From | Pontesian National Conservative Alliance | To | Debating the Local Government Creation Act |
| Message | Surely a case which relates to a specific region should be a matter of regional law, not national law. Under the old system, regional cases were tried by regional authorities and national cases by national authorities. Also, since there are already national courts (albeit with only appellate jurisdiciton), any added expense would not be a severe as you claim. |
| Date | 05:11:05, April 04, 2011 CET | From | Pontesian Royalist Party | To | Debating the Local Government Creation Act |
| Message | All cases occur in regions within the nation, therefore all cases are regional and national. The expense would be in the regions establishing the same levels of appellate courts that the national government has and in the nation establishing the trial court system which the regional governments have. The expenses could be reduced in part by the sharing of courthouses and judges by the regions and the nation, although such a measure would make the change an inconvenient formality. |
| Date | 07:30:10, April 04, 2011 CET | From | Pontesian National Conservative Alliance | To | Debating the Local Government Creation Act |
| Message | The PNCA still feels that national law and regional law should be tried in separate courts. We feel very strongly on this issue. We will bring this legislation to a vote, albeit a futile one. |
| Date | 07:33:43, April 04, 2011 CET | From | Pontesian Royalist Party | To | Debating the Local Government Creation Act |
| Message | The PSP is willing to approve this bill in spite of Article 2. We would hate to be seen in opposition to Article 1. |
| Date | 07:34:03, April 04, 2011 CET | From | Pontesian Royalist Party | To | Debating the Local Government Creation Act |
| Message | OOC: lol *PRP |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 58 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 23 |
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