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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of December 3101
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kanjoran Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3103
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Kanjoran Conservative Party
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Kanjoran Conservative Party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Kanjoran Conservative Party
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the The Royal Union
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Kanjoran Conservative Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the The Royal Union
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Kanjoran Conservative Party
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Kanjoran Conservative Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Kanjoran Conservative Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Kanjoran Conservative Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Kanjoran Conservative Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Kanjoran Conservative Party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the The Royal Union
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:04:02, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | Message We would like to propose a Coalition with The Royal Union, we hope that two cabinet seats are sufficient given there number of seats in Parliament and hope that in working with us we can help rid Kanjor of the spectre of the AK and it's now extreme left wing and paradoxically right wing views towards certain elements of policy. We view this government to be the government of the talented, the moderate and the progressive. One that will modernise Kanjor and take it back to its true routes and rightful place in the International Relations of Terra. We suggest that the Coalition should support all measures, Coalition members are responsible for drawing up legislation in their own field and may veto ONE proposal in each bill regardless of it's size. They also have the power to insist the passage of ONE bill per Parliament providing it falls within an area of government that they hold office of. We hope these terms are acceptable to the RU. Margaret Stonemason Chancellor elect |
| Date | 01:35:59, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | We would offer the RU half the seats in cabinet if it chooses to form government with the AK. |
| Date | 02:15:30, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | The RU has to ask itself, is this a time for change in Kanjor or not? And will the people of Kanjor forgive you for supporting the AK back into power? If you look at the party ideological leanings and voting preferences the AK and RU are probably more similar but I ask you both, where has that got you? Within five years my party has grown from obscurity into the largest party in Kanjor, as you will see from statistics on my party homepage its visibility is not yet as developed as the AK and yet already we overtake it in the polls? I would argue that by supporting us, the RU will return to the top with us. Maybe the RU coiuld even lead the next government given the fact it is far more established than us. A stint in government with us could reverse the RU fortunes and exclude the AK from power for a generation! Margaret Stonemasn Chancellor Elect |
| Date | 03:10:37, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | We will also offer the RU the head of government position for this legislative term. We will be content with foreign affairs AND either defence or finance as our top requests. |
| Date | 05:26:15, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | We feel that this is anti-democratic, how can the smallest party lead government. The constitution of Kanjor states that only the largest party can form coalitions, so you are not even in a position to create such a government. The people of Kanjor voted for both the KCP and me, Margaret Stonemason as its leader knowing it would mean I became Chancellor. Margaret Stonemason Chancellor Elect |
| Date | 06:07:03, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | Yes, our constitution bars us from introducing a cabinet. We'd like the RU to keep our offer in mind in the future when the KCP has been pushed out. We see no problem in the smallest party leading government, which is still democratic so long as the majority of parliament supports it. Somebody ought to explain to Maggie how parliament can function. |
| Date | 13:05:07, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | I am fully aware of how parliament functions, but it is my belief that when parliament is forced to form a coalition whcih grants executive leadership to a smaller party it implies that parliament is choosing the government on the behalf of the people, and a head of government that arguably received the lowest number of their votes. In reality democracy should be out the people electing the government and most popular party forming it. That is a far more direct form of democracy. Margaret Stonemason Chancellor Elect |
| Date | 15:38:38, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | In a multiparty system, it is possible that the largest party is unable to form government because there is a larger group of other parties able to form a more stable government. ALL voters expect their first choice party to be in government; they are less concerned with the largest party forming such a government, unless that party was their first choice. As for the smallest party leading a government, if all agreed parties wish to participate then that is perfectly legal. The question is legality, not on our various interpretations of what is legitimate. |
| Date | 15:41:53, April 07, 2011 CET | From | The Royal Union | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | The Royal Union has reviewed the coalition offers and we find ourselves in a most difficult position. While we support Ms Stonemason and have a great affinity to the English cause, her terms are clearly unacceptable given the coalition offer by the Action Kanjorienne. We therefore implore the KCP to come up with a more agreeable solution, or we will seriously consider other offers. |
| Date | 15:55:34, April 07, 2011 CET | From | The Royal Union | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | The Royal Union has reviewed the coalition offers and we find ourselves in a most difficult position. While we support Ms Stonemason and have a great affinity to the English cause, her terms are clearly unacceptable given the coalition offer by the Action Kanjorienne. We therefore implore the KCP to come up with a more agreeable solution, or we will seriously consider other offers. |
| Date | 02:27:47, April 08, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | We would argue that the Kanjoran Constitution offers no other solution, the largest party must form a government and we will not form one that does not demonstrate our position at the head of government. Which positions would the RU like in addition to those we have offered? If you do not support us in coalition the KCP will continue to propose legislation unrestricted by coalition compromise and will probably increase it's visibility and appeal to the Kanjoran people enough to work alone at the next government. Recent elections have shown that the KCP presence in Kanjor has only meant decline for the other parties here, either join us and rise with us or fall into the abyss with the AK. We are open to negotiations with regards to the coalition, but we will not be blackmailed, this nation deserves better than to be auctioned to the highest bidder. We urge you to make your decision with haste, we were going to wait until a coalition was formed before proposing any further legislation but now we will begin to make proposals in the hope that you do accept our coalition offer. We cannot have government come to a standstill because of this. Margaret Stonemasn |
| Date | 15:40:50, April 08, 2011 CET | From | The Royal Union | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | It is us who are being blackmailed Ms Stonemason! While we support you we will not be coerced, blackmailed, or forced into any agreements. Continuing to do so will no doubt lead to a constitutional crisis. Yes, we are small, but we are still mighty. We demand no less than 5 cabinet positions. We would also not be opposed to amending the constitution so that this won't happen again. |
| Date | 15:42:27, April 08, 2011 CET | From | The Royal Union | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | Also, the KCP's "yes" vote on SUCCESSION, 3101, causes further tensions. |
| Date | 16:54:56, April 08, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | We are prepared to accept a grand coalition with the KCP and will relinquish the post of Chancellor in return for both Foreign and Finance, in addition to some minor ministries at the KCP's discretion. |
| Date | 17:24:40, April 08, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | We will not give you finance AK but are prepared to give you internal affairs and the more minor ministries above that we were prepared to give the RU. If that is acceptable to you then we can form a grand coalition. Margaret Stonemason |
| Date | 18:24:44, April 08, 2011 CET | From | The Royal Union | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | ! |
| Date | 18:36:38, April 08, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | See the new grand coalition cabinet proposal. We will work with the AK and due to their size agree to their terms. We will not meet any further demands from the RU they are being unreasonable and self seeking. Margaret |
| Date | 19:46:57, April 08, 2011 CET | From | The Royal Union | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | We had hopes of working with you Ms Stonemason, but your terms are clearly unacceptable. We will not be forced into a government 'just because,' nor will we work with a tyrant! |
| Date | 21:53:57, April 08, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | I am not a tyrant, I am merely keen that you should accept this offer as a fair representation of the support our parties currently have. Althought iwe only have ten seats we did gain over 51 percent of the national vote. We want to work with the arau because we value them as an effective potential partner, we also have immense respect for their beliefs and background. We feel that working with experienced RU ministers would benefit our parties development and ability to lead Kanjor into a strong future. |
| Date | 22:00:23, April 08, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | I am not a tyrant, I am merely keen that you should accept this offer as a fair representation of the support our parties currently have. Althought iwe only have ten seats we did gain over 51 percent of the national vote. We want to work with the arau because we value them as an effective potential partner, we also have immense respect for their beliefs and background. We feel that working with experienced RU ministers would benefit our parties development and ability to lead Kanjor into a strong future. . |
| Date | 22:28:36, April 08, 2011 CET | From | The Royal Union | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of December 3101 |
| Message | Fine |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 64 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 37 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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